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Questions Aug 31

Questions pertaining to the assigned reading will normally be posted the day before each class. Try to find the answers in the text, and post your thoughts in the comments space below. Some of these questions will be on the exams. Questions pertaining to the recommended texts will appear as bonus questions, with correct answers earning full credit.

LHP

1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?

2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?

3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?

HWT
  1. What's one of the great unexplained wonders of human history?
  2. Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others?
  3. What was Descartes's "still pertinent" conclusion?
  4. Why did the Buddha think speculation about ultimate reality was fruitless? 
  5. What aspects of western thought have most influenced global philosophy?
  6. What do Africans not have, according to Kwame Appiah?
FL
1. What statement by Karl Rove began to "crystallize" Fantasyland, in Kurt Andersen's mind?

2. What are half of Americans "absolutely certain" about? What do a quarter believe about vaccines?

3. What is Andersen trying to do with this book?

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  1. Section 13
    1.A successful conversation for Socrates was when it would reveal one didn't truly know and belief what they thought they did. It seems like Socrates enjoyed making others question everything they knew,
    2. I think it is possible for humans to be trapped in their own cave, either voluntarily or by force. If you refuse to consider any other ideas or beliefs that challenge your own, I consider that being trapped in a "cave."
    3. He claimed his inner voice told him to never stop questioning. I don't think he meant this in a literal sense but rather as a key principle in how he lived.

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    1. We're our own wardens, then, right? --when we refuse to consider challenging or unfamiliar ideas.

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  2. 1) A success in Socrates eyes would be any conversation where he convinced his audience, those listening to him, to question their thinking and logic. He wanted those around him to challenge his intellect instead of accepting what they are told blindly.
    2) I believe the cave metaphor pertains to our sense as humans to naturally deny and avoid the unknown. I believe it comes from our survival instincts from long ago. I think that there is a large number- if not all humans "stuck in a cage". The modern world as we know it tends to limit us by making us anxious to question anything new or unheard of.
    3) Socrates said his inner voice was telling him to, "keep questioning everything". I believe his inner voice is a metaphor for his conscience.

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    1. Does the world make us reluctant to question or imagine? Or does our reluctance to do so create a cage/cave-world?

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    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    I believe Plato's story of the cave is connected with his theory of Forms and the idea that the material sensations of the world do not offer us the most meaningful life. I think all of us become trapped in a cave at some point in our lives. Whether it be with material things such as money, cars, houses. Or taking what the media or Government say full heartedly and never seeking the truth on our own. The first time I ever heard of Plato's cave a speaker used Plato's cave theory to describe the struggle of addiction and how people who struggle with addiction are trapped in the cave because it offers them comfort but ultimately traps them in darkness. Once they initially leave the cave, for some, the light of the world will be too blinding and intimidating for them and they will retreat back into the cave, and continue with their addiction whether it be drugs, alcohol, etc. For those who do leave the cave successfully and learn to live free from their addictions they will eventually return to the cave to help free the others who are trapped. I think its a great metaphor for how we should always continually seek knowledge and wisdom but we must always remember to give back and share that wisdom we've learned.

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    1. Interesting to think of the cave as an addictive condition. Maybe the ultimate addiction is to conformist refusal to challenge convention or question the status quo.

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  4. 1. A conversation that left someone questioning what they thought they already knew was considered a success for socrates. Wisdom to socrates meant "understanding the true nature of our existence."

    2. Plato's allegory of the cave is connected with Plato's Theory of Forms. All humans naturally have some ignorance hard wired into them. If you try to deeply analyze everything that is thrown at you in your life, nothing would be fun or worth doing.

    3. His inner voice told him to keep questioning everything. "Inner voice" is probably not so literal since most of the questioning that he did was done through conversations with other people and not through his inner monologue.

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    1. Not everything deserves deep analysis, but maybe the cave is a state of society in which almost no one values analysis or imagination about what's possible, and most prefer the comfort of convention in taking the world at face value.

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  5. Section 13
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    1. For Socrates, he considered a successful conversation to be one in which everyone left realizing how little they actually knew. To him, wisdom was knowing there are limits of what we can know.
    2. Plato's story of the cave is connected to Plato's Theory of Forms. I think every human is trapped in their own cave of some sort. I don't think that even the greatest philosopher has a completely open mind on every subject matter.
    3. Socrates said his inner voice told him to continue questioning everything. I think his inner voice was either his conscience or his own thoughts, similar to how we can hear ourselves think.
    HWT
    1. One of the great unexplained wonders of human history is that written philosophy first took off entirely separately in different parts of the world around the same time.
    2. I agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others, but I also believe that we cannot understands others well without first understanding ourselves, which is quite the Catch-22.
    3. Descartes' still pertinent conclusion was that as people, we are more persuaded by customs and things around us than by knowledge itself.
    4. The Buddha thought speculation about ultimate reality was fruitless because the only evidence available to us is that of experience.
    5. Aspects of western thought that have most influenced global philosophy are those that suggested concrete action.
    6. According to Kwame Appiah, Africans "do not have a common traditional culture, common languages, a common religious or conceptual vocabulary."
    FL
    1. In Kurt Andersen's mind, the statement by Karl Rove that began to crystallize Fantasyland was that people in a "reality-based community" believe solutions come from study of what is noticeably true.
    2. Half of Americans are absolutely certain that Heaven exists and is ruled by a personal God, and a quarter believe vaccines cause autism.
    3. With this book, Andersen is trying to explore and explain why we believe so many different things without any real proof as to why.

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    1. So strange, what Karl Rove said... as though we shouldn't ALL be committed to a community rooted in reality.

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  6. "1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?"
    A: For Socrates, a conversation was a success if he could get everyone to realize just how little they knew. Wisdom, in Socrates' eyes, is not about how much you know, it's about your limits, and how much you *don't* know.

    "2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?"
    A: The theory that only Philosophers can truly see the world for what it is. Yes, and no. If you choose to live in a echo chamber, then you're choosing to live in a cave, if you see the value in other people's opinions, and think your own thoughts, then you are less likely to stay in the cave, but everyone is born there.

    "3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?"
    A: To keep questioning everything, until the very end. Yes, everyone has an inner voice, i.e. your subconsciousness and your "thinking voice".

    - Matteo D'Urso (Section 13)

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    1. One conversation that was a success for Socrates was discussing whether being deceitful was immoral all the time. This was such a success since most people had a definite answer in which Socrates would offer a rebuttal where being deceitful was the "better' choice. Socrates believed that wisdom was "understanding the true nature of our existence, including the limits of what we can know" and demonstrated this by always asking questions.
    2. Plato's Cave Theory said that only philosophers saw the world for what it really was. I connect to this theory in the sense that there are people who refuse to except facts and solid arguments/points and dismiss them without even considering the possibility of their truth. I think some humans are stuck in this cave and are stubborn, but I also think most people search for answers for themselves.
    3. Socrates' inner voice told him to never stop asking questions. I don't think it was meant literally because that would make him crazy, and he was considered by many people to be the smartest many alive. This thought remained consistent for the most part as he has been regarded as a very intelligent many throughout the centuries.

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  8. LHP
    1. A conversation that was considered a success for Socrates was any conversation in which he was able to leave someone questioning their truths. Socrates believed wisdom was the ability to argue and challenge your own reasoning, as well as the ability to understand the nature of human existence.
    2. The theory of the all-seeing philosophers. It states that only philosophers can see the world for what it really is, and that everyone else is blinded by the darkness and can only see a glimpse of what life is (cave scenario). I don't agree with the cave scenario at all, as I believe that real life is a subjective term and can be seen and justified differently depending on many life factors.
    3. Socrates' "inner voice" told him to continue questioning everything and challenging people's minds. I believe this is a figurative saying, but judging from the delusions exemplified in both his and his students' work, he might have actually had a voice in his head.

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  9. 1. Socrates considered a conversation a success if he caused a person to be confused and question their thoughts. Socrates's wisdom was more of a constant questioning and curiosity. You can't truly know everything, and so he believed we should test our limits.
    2. Plato's story of the Allegory of the Cave is connected with his theory of Forms. I do agree that we are stuck in a cave of our own to some extent. Whether out of ignorance, or a refusal to accept the truth of everything around us, we have a tendency to not question things. We only take what we see in front of us, and think nothing else of it.
    3. His inner voice was to keep questioning everything. He kept that idea over his own life. I'm unsure if his inner voice is literal or not, I also wonder if Socrates ever questioned his own "inner voice" that insisted he question everything. I almost even wonder if he was being affected by some kind of mental illness, and that the idea of this inner voice isn't as innocent as it is made out to be. Most people in the face of their execution would be in some kind of distress, or plead for life, but he seem to have upheld his inner voice, and also felt he deserved better treatment.

    1. One of the great unexplained wonders of human history is how philosophy developed in independent places simultaneously.
    2. I do agree that we can’t understand ourselves if we don’t understand others. How we interact with others can give us insight into ourselves. We can always learn something from others too.
    3. Descartes believed “we are clearly persuaded more by custom and example than by any certain knowledge.” We are gifted in the ability to understand other people’s beliefs and perspectives in the face of abandoning everything we previously knew.
    4. Since the ultimate reality emphasizes the unchanging, the Buddha believed knowledge was found through experience, which would imply a need to change.
    5. Thoughts of logic and concrete action influenced global philosophy.
    6. Kwame Appiah said that Africans do not share a common, culture, language, religion or vocabulary, they are all very different from each other,

    1. Karl Rove's quote was, "Believe that solutions emerge from judicious study of discernible reality. That’s not the way the world really works anymore"

    2. Half of Americans are certain heaven exists. A quarter of Americans think vaccines cause autism.

    3. He writes the book to show how people have a tendency to believe what they want, they are biased and only find things to support their ideals and opinions. He criticizes this, and he mainly finds this reoccurring flaw in the country of America.

    - Kelly Molloy

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    LHP
    1. Socrates found success in conversations that left people questioning how little they know, and question if really anybody knows anything. He saw wisdom as the understanding of what true nature was, and the limits of what we know. That we have an idea of what's right, but we also are humble enough to look for other possibilities.
    2. Plato's theory of forms. That regular humans get comfortable with what's right in front of them, and don't look at the actual beauty around them, and that we think we know the extent of everything but theres so much more than we could ever imagine, or the opposite, that there is less, but the point that nobody stops to actually figure it out. I do think that humans are naturally in a cave, and have to make those pushes to break free of the chains to see what else is outside of the cave walls, and to build our own perception on what it all means.
    3. "... to keep questioning everything, and he could not betray it." Having an "inner voice" is definitely a literal thing. My inner voice is telling me what to type right now, and everything I think about saying to people, or every thought I think to myself.

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    1. A successful conversation for Socrates is people realizing how little they knew as they were talking to him. An example the book gave was when Socrates's was talking to a confident military commander and ending the conversation with the miliary commander being confused and knowing his limit. Wisdom is not knowing a lot of facts, but understanding out limits.

    2. Plato's theory might be connect with human perspective. Humans can see what they believe versus beyond the perspective of what is actually there. All humans are naturally stuck in a cave because everyone has their own bias or perspective they are not willing to expand their knowledge on.

    3. His inner voice told him to keep questioning everything, do not change for societal standards. His inner voice is literal because everyone's inner voice is their true thoughts and intentions vs their socially acceptable thoughts.

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    1. A successful conversation for him was to make the person he was talking to question what they thought they already knew. Wisdom to him was "...understanding the true nature of our existence, including the limits of what we can know."
    2. The people in the cave only knew what they saw, and made assumptions based on what they were seeing. Though they were wrong, that was their truth. I do think that we're all stuck in the cave of our own beliefs and that we miss out on things because we often stay in one mindset.
    3. His inner voice that told him to keep questioning everything, and he could not betray it. It was his innermost thoughts, and what he truly wanted.

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  13. #11
    1. It seems the best types of conversations that worked well for Socrates was those in which he could question people's general assumptions, and present ideas in which challenged their thoughts. It wasn't so much as a show of intellectual ability, as it was getting people to think in a different fashion than what they normally do.

    2. The story of the cave provides the basis for Plato's Theory of Forms, the idea that people become content and comfortable with looking at what's in front of them rather than look and question beyond it. I think that there are a large percentage of people in modern day that fit right into this story, and will believe what they see on social media or the news to be true rather than digging deeper into a subject matter on their own.

    3. He claims his inner voice told him to keep questioning everything. I think that it is meant in a literal sense, although modern day we call it a "conscience". Our conscience is something we use to reason or determine a decision with ourselves often thinking it out and questioning it quietly. Although for Socrates, his inner voice was telling him to ask these questions out loud to anyone that would listen.

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  14. #10 LHP

    1. One part of a successful conversation for Socrates is that it was done face to face because “in conversation we can take into account the kind of person we are talking to; we can adapt what we say so that the message gets across” (Warburton 4). Another part of a successful conversation for Socrates was that he left his interlocutor feeling ignorant. An example of this was when Socrates had a conversation with Euthydemus over if being deceitful meant that you were being immoral. Socrates thought that wisdom was based on argument, asking questions, and questioning his beliefs and other people’s beliefs.

    2. Plato’s story of the cave is connected with Plato’s Theory of Forms. I think that all humans are stuck in their own personal “cave.” Just like the chained up people in the cave, people reject change and they dislike being wrong.

    3. Socrates' inner voice told him to “keep questioning everything” (Warburton 8). I believe that Socrates may have been referring to his inner dialogue when he spoke of his inner voice.

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  15. #11 LHP
    1. A successful conversation for Socrates was one that he learned something from as well as one that he made others go into deep thought. He knew wisdom as "understanding the true nature of our existence". As well as knowing our limits.
    2. In Plato's story about the caves is connected to Plato's Theory of Forms. He states that only philosophers can truly understand the true meaning of this because they understand reality while others are closed off to idea. I think that we can all be stuck in our own cave and that we only understand "our cave". I think we each have our own battles to fight and not everyone will understand them.
    3. His inner voice told him to keep questioning everything. I do not think he was being literal but that is how lived his life was by questioning everything.

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  16. Class #13
    1. Socrates loved reveal the limits of what people genuinely understood. He saw the conversation successful if everyone realized in the end how little they really knew. I think while this is good to question and expand their knowledge I can understand why some people found him annoying, as people in Athens were very prideful and these actions left their pride wounded.
    2. The story of the cave is connected with Plato's Theory of Forms. I think there is a good mix in modern day. I see often many people are more willing to break from their chains inside the cave to venture out than there once was, where usually those raised with certain beliefs and values stayed with those and hardly questioned it. In modern day you now see a lot more people questioning things.
    3. Socrates' inner voice told him to never stop questioning things. This was something he felt he could not live without. I believe while your inner voice is not literal, it in a sense could connect to ones passions and morals. I believe Socrates truly loved being a Philosopher and so his "inner voice" (his heart) told him he could not live without it.

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    1. Extra thoughts: Why did people view Socrates as a danger? Do you think that our minds have opened since the time in Athens or do we still see people like Socrates a danger in today's modern times. Also, why is it that humanity is more likely to trust appearances than search for reality?

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    2. That was my own response ^

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    3. Great discussion Jaden!
      We have a similar perspective on the book. I also said that his inner voice was his morals. I didn’t take into consideration that citizens of Athens let their ego get in the way which resulted in Socrates being considered as annoying or a danger to society. What a great evaluation!

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  17. LHP
    1. For Socrates a conversation was considered a success when one came out questioning what they thought they once knew.
    2. Plato's story of the cave is connected with Plato's Theory of Forms. I believe a large majority of humans are stuck in a cave of some sort. Especially today I feel as if people are very passionate and head strong when it comes to their beliefs and belief systems. Those who are not are lucky.
    3. Socrates inner voice told him to, "keep questioning everything, and he cannot betray it". I do not believe the inner voice was literal and was a way to keep his word alive.
    #11

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  18. #11 LHP
    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    Socrates thought that for a conversation to be successful was for a person to question what they thought they knew by the end. To take someone's full belief and push it to its limits. Wisdom to Socrates was to fully question everything to prove things that were right wrong and wrong things right, to never stop questioning those around him and himself.
    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    Plato's story is connected to his theory of forms, I do think that almost everyone is or has been stuck in their own cave at some point. Many people only believe what they want too and will ignore other peoples opinions, especially if it does not line up with their own. Being stuck in these opinion is like being stuck in the cave, only seeing what they want to believe.
    3.What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    Socrates said his inner voice told him to keep questioning everything and not to betray him. I do think it was literal, I think it was his last ditch effort to fully lock in his beliefs of truly questioning everything especially since that it what lead him to death.

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  19. section 10

    LHP

    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    Socrates meant wisdom as understanding our existence, as opposed to knowledge. The most successful conversations were when he would ask a question about life, and then open it up for debate.

    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    It is connected to Plato's Theory of Forms. I do think that most, if not all humans are naturally in this allegorical cave. Our world perception is molded from birth, meaning we are constantly seeing what we are told to see, or in the form of the story, the shadows on the walls. We are told what to believe in, what to think of those around us, what to wear, how to act etc, etc. our world perception, whether we realize it or not, is controlled by someone or something else, whether that be our family, our friends, or our own need for approval from society. Unless we hypothetically 'break free' we will be stuck seeing the "real world" through whatever view we were conditioned to have.
    3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    His inner voice told him to "keep questioning everything." I don't think it was literal; it was probably meant in the sense of how you would describe your thoughts as an inner voice.

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  20. Section #10
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    1. Socrates would randomly approach people and ask them questions that seemed to have obvious answers; however, by the end of these conversations, the individual would be left confused, questioning what they thought they already knew. This would be considered a successful conversation because it caused the individual to go beyond the boundaries of the ways they previously thought and perceived the questions that were asked. Socrates believed that wisdom was the ability to question what is "known" about the world and universe while striving to understand why we are here and the limits of what we can know.
    2. The story of the cave directly relates to Plato's theory of form. I believe all humans are stuck in some form of a metaphorical cave. Whether it is a job, relationship, mindset, or belief, the cave in question can take that of many forms. We choose to remain in these caves because they are comfortable and known to us, so much so that we want to stay in these caves even when there are things outside of them.
    3. Socrates' inner voice told him to question everything, even when faced with the threat of execution. I think this "inner voice" is the thoughts that we think, so in a sense, I think this inner voice is literal.

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  21. Section 10
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    1. A successful conversation for Socrates was a conversation where you began to question what you believe is true. He wanted people to always be asking questions and question if they think something is true or if it is just something they have been told repeatedly. Wisdom to Socrates was always to be asking questions and to be even questioning your own ideas. To be wise was to never believe something just because someone told you it was true.

    2. Plato's story of the cave is connected to the Theory of Forms. I believe all humans are stuck in a cave and we all have to ability to break the "chains" to free ourselves from this cave. The reason I believe this is that the cave is comforting because life would be so easy if whatever people told us is true, but then I think this can cause us to lose our individualism. There was a quote that stuck out to me in the first chapter, it said, "An unexamined existence is all right for cattle, but not for human beings." I think humans need to question our existence or we will never live our most fulfilled life.

    3. Socrates said that his inner voice told him to never stop questioning things and asking questions, even if it meant he would die. I do believe his "inner voice" was real and we all have it. Our conscience is what we called it now, and we all interact with our inner voice everyday.

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  23. Arsal Siddiqui - section 10
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    1. For Socrates, a successful conversation ended with confusion for the other individual. Socrates would go out of his way to ask strangers basic questions with very complex answers. He asked Euthydemus if deceit equated to immorality. A simple answer would be yes, being deceitful is wrong, so it is immoral. Socrates would continue to rip apart this answer by giving examples of how deceit was not always immoral. The action of asking these hard questions allowed him to understand the true nature of human existence, which is what Socrates called wisdom.
    2. Plato’s cave describes the inability of regular people or people who are not philosophers to believe or question things that they don’t experience themselves through their senses. I believe that there are a lot of people who are “stuck in a cave”. The amount of false information that plagues media is a great way for people to get stuck. People’s indifference or inability to look for their own information hinders their ability to get out of this cave. These people become close-minded just like the people of the cave. No matter what the philosopher said to them, the people in the cave did not care and continued to believe what they were told. To get out of this cave, I believe that people should go find their own information, and formulate their own opinions on different topics.
    3. Socrates's inner voice told him to constantly ask questions. I think the idea of “inner voice” isn’t literal. I believe that having an inner voice in this regard is having a purpose. Socrates’s inner voice told him to ask questions about everything in life, and that is what gave him purpose in life. I think everyone’s inner voice tells them to do different things. I’m not sure whether it is because of a predisposition placed on someone's life or a compilation of experiences each person goes through, but each person has a voice that tells them what they need to do.

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    LHP
    1. Socrates believed a conversion was successful when the individual he was having the conversion with ended with realizing how little they actually knew. His idea of wisdom or being wise was thinking more than knowing. An individual who is wise questions things, makes arguments, and finds reasons for the things they see in life rather than just believe what they are told by others. It's about having the ability to think for yourself and argue for the logic in life rather than taking it at face value.
    2. the theory tied to Plato's cave is Plato's theory of forms. This theory is about debating the true form of something over its visual appearance. That means questioning the true essence of something rather than debating the surface-level appearance of the item or idea in question. I believe many people today are still stuck in Plato's cave. In order to escape the cave, it is necessary to be able to think critically on subjects and make your own judgments and form your own ideas. Unfortunately, traits like these are something that is usually taught, or at least should be. Especially in modern America, it has become the norm to simply chose a side and believe what that mass believes. There are a number of reasons for this, some done quite intentionally, but it does not change the fact that it is true. People would rather let the weather channel tell them what the skies look like than simply look outside their own window. It's easier to listen than to look or think.
    3. Socrates said that his inner voice told him to question everything. While it is definitely possible that Socrates had voices inside his head, I don't believe it was meant literally here. His inner voice was likely his own subconscious bias. After a life of continuously questioning everything (at least his later life), it simply became his own natural bias reinforced by years and years of practice. By this point in his life mentioned in the text with his inner voice, there was simply no way he could abandon his own self-developed nature. That's what his inner voice was telling him. He subconsciously knew that living a life without following his own nature would not really be living.

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  25. 1. A conversation that ended in everyone realizing how little they knew was a success for Socrates. Wisdom for Socrates was not knowing lots of facts, or knowing how to do something. It meant understanding the true nature of our existence, including the limits of what we can know
    2.This story of the cave is connected with what’s come to be known as Plato’s Theory of Forms. I think naturally most humans are born stuck in the cave and are incapable of escaping the cave without an immense amount of help. Though a fraction of humans, I believe, have a natural ability to escape the cave on their own.
    3. Socrates had an inner voice that told him to keep questioning everything, and he could not betray it. I think the "inner voice" is literal in the sense that it was a thought process inside his own head that was not exactly outwardly expressed.

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  26. Section #13

    For Socrates, proving someone wrong or having them question themselves was considered a successful conversation. When speaking of wisdom, Socrates refers to understanding and questioning the human existence.
    Plato’s story of the cave is connected to the theory of Forms. I believe that most, if not all, humans are stuck in “caves.” Since change is hard for most people, some take comfort in the frequent and avoid change as much as possible. In this case, people would prefer to take pills that are easier to swallow.
    Socrates said that his inner voice told him to question everything regardless of any consequences. I doubt that his “inner voice” is literal. However, I do believe that when Socrates said this, he was referring to his morals.

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  27. Section #11

    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    A successful conversation for Socrates was one that questioned previously assumed topics. The book details many of these events, like stealing a knife from someone about to kill themselves. Stealing is considered generally wrong, but in this specific sense it is thought of as acceptable. Breaking these blanket statements for a more thorough understanding of these topics seemed to be how Socrates thought about his conversation.

    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    Plato's cave is connected with the theory of forms, the idea that we (humans) understand forms in general rather than a perfect object. The object used in the text is a perfect circle vs a near perfect one, we hardly distinguish between the two. The only problem I have with the cave allegory is it make it appear as if the people are suffering, often I feel like this is more closely represented as blissfulness. However, other than this I think the idea still holds true for most if not all people at some point in their life.

    3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    This "inner voice" told him to keep questioning everything, which seems to just be the way he has come to naturally think. I personally think that whenever someone mentions an inner voice it is a way of basically taking an order. Rather than having claimed to have thought of this thing on one's own they basically create a character so the character can tell them to do it. I think this makes it easier to follow, rather than coming up with an ideology on one's own. I think this is something subconscious, but it would not surprise me if Socrates among other people with this feeling thought it was real in the moment.

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  28. 1. A conversation that ended in everyone questioning how much they knew was a success for Plato. Wisdom to Socrates was to ask questions and debate ideas.
    2. Plato’s cave story is connected with Plato’s Theory of Forms. I think a lot of people are stuck in a cave although I am not sure if they are “naturally”. It’s very easy to get comfortable with what you perceived or what others taught you to be true.
    3.Socrates inner voice told him to never stop asking questions. I think his inner voice was his subconscious, deep within he knew he couldn’t stop.

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  29. #10
    LHP

    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?

    He saw success in conversation when he questioned others and it ended with them questioning themselves. He liked to make people question their own thinking, and possibly change their thought process, to humble others almost (Page 2).

    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?

    The theory of Forms is tied to Plato’s story. I think most humans are still stuck in Plato’s cave. In order to escape, you need to be able to think critically and think independently.

    3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?

    He said his inner voice told him to continue to question everything, regardless of any consequences. I do not believe it was literal, I think it was his own thoughts, though it wouldn’t surprise me if he thought it was at the time.

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  30. 1. Socrates used primary data collection to taunt the minds of individuals who needs to find their inner wisdom. By wisdom he means information that goes beyond surface level thinking. Once each individual was left confused Socrates was satisfied.

    2. The theory of forms , nobody is born in the cave they walk in the wrong direction on their own path and most end up in the cave.

    3. His inner voice or his goal was to never believe there were no more questions to be answered. That is his wisdom.

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  31. 1. He saw success when the people who he was spreading wisdom were bringing to realize what it is that they believed. He wanted people to see things more clearly.

    2. Plato's cave is like a prison to those who have not heard about socartes’s wisdom how they were not thinking as clearly as he believes

    3. The inner voice within his head tells him to always think about the situation and to ask yourself questions no matter what. I don't think this was literal its just a figure of speech

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  32. #13
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    1. Socrates considered a successful conversation to be one that ended in everyone involved realizing how little they knew. He enjoys teaching people and expanding their minds. Socrates believed that wisdom did not mean someone knows a lot of facts, it means that they are able to understand the true nature of our existence and what we can know.
    2. Plato's story of the cave is connected to his Theory of Forms. Yes, I believe that in some way all humans are "stuck in a cave" since we are not able to know what everything is like from all perspectives. We are "in the dark" about a lot of things in the world.
    3. Socrates says that his inner voice tells him to keep questioning everything, there is also more questions to be asked. I don't think the voice was literal, I think it was his thoughts and wisdom showing.

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  33. 1. A successful conversation for Socrates meant that he help the people he was speaking with feeling like they knew very little. He enjoyed making others think with their own minds, instead of others. He believed that everyone had their own knowledge on different things pertaining to things they did in their lives.

    2. Plato's theory of the cave is connected to Plato's Theory of Forms. I believe that it is easy to be mentally "stuck in a cave" due to the examples that have been set for us from our birth to our current lives. We are often taught not to question certain things and to not think deeply into a subject. We see what is in front of us, and it takes a lot to be able to break away from that example, but once you do, you will start to see the world in a different light.

    3. Socrates said that his inner voice told him to never stop questioning things. He would rather have died than to betray his own mind and he did die by doing so. I believe his inner voice was his mind telling him what to do, and he felt like he could not go against that or all of his work would be for nothing.

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  34. section 13

    1. Socrates thought that a valuable conversation resulted in people deepening their understanding of how much there was to learn in the knowledge that they didnt understand a lot as is.

    2. Plato's connection is to the Theory of Forms. I believe we are stuck in the cave today, because in modern media, yellow journalism keeps everyone in the dark, and with so many powerful people in the world, it is impossible for people to really know the truth.

    3. His inner voice told him to continue to question everything. This wasn't him having some crazy supernatural knack of precognition, but rather him just having the knowledge and experience to say yes or no, and to understand what was worth the time to be questioned.

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  35. 1. Socrates believed that if he left his audience wondering how much they really knew themselves about a certain topic, he wanted them to question their own personal intellect.
    2. Plato's theory of a cave is connected with the theory of forms, I think most people are naturally "stuck in a cave" because ever since birth certain things go unquestioned and people rarely try to question these things.
    3. His inner voice would tell him to continue questioning everything, i do not believe he actually had an inner voice it was just his curiosity always questioning things.
    i am section 13

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  36. #10
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    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    A successful conversation to him was one that revealed a persons flaws in their thinking and their own limitations in their mind. Wisdom to him was understanding that facts and knowledge were not wisdom but having the novelty to say you know nothing at all is.
    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    Plato's theory of forms. I do believe that many people are stuck in a cave. If objective truth exists than there are many people who are not inline with this truth which shows that some are stuck in their own subjective truths.
    3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    His inner voice told him to keep questioning everything. I think his inner voice is literal because we each have a mind and there are many influences that our subconscious minds can have and those thoughts are legitimate.

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  37. #10

    What kind of conversation was a success for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    1. Socrates believed that any conversation that ended with his "opponent" questioning why they believed what they did in the first place was a success. Wisdom, he would have defined as, understanding the true nature of our existence, including the limits of what we can know.
    What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? DO you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    2. Plato's cave story is connected with Plato's Theory of Forms. I think that some people are stuck in a cave, because there is an objective truth and only some people have pushed past the lies of the world to see it.
    What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    3. Socrates' inner voice told him to keep questioning everything. I think inner voice refers to either an outside voice that was having an influence on his mind, or just the thinkings of Socrates himself. I don't think that Socrates ever landed on the objective truth, so I would pose that an outside being was having an influence on his mind, pushing him further from reality.

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  38. #13
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    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    A person doesn’t actually know or believe what they think they do. He forced them to question everything that they thought they knew. Wisdom is admitting that we dont know, but we are willing to accept that are things beyond our understanding, and that we can be wrong.


    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    There are a group of people that have lived in a cave their whole lives, they have no knowledge of anything else. But at some point one person is able to leave and learns of the world that is outside of the cave. So he goes back and tries to tell his companions of the world outside the cave but they dont want to hear it because they were comfortable with their lives in the cave so they ignored him and killed him rather than attempt to believe him. But yes, I do think that all humans are metaphorically stuck in their own cave as well. We only know what we know and even what we know is pliable to change upon new discovery. And this is true for nearly all facets of life.


    3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    “Keep on asking questions” Some people say its his conscience, others say its something more mystical. I think that its was just his conscience

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  39. Section #11
    1. Socrates considered an ideal conversation to be one that was challenged by many questions. Since he claimed to know nothing at all, he was always intrigued to find out more from others and their thoughts. He would then question their thoughts and point out their flaws in their beliefs. Socrates view on wisdom was to comprehend the meaning of our existence, and to test the limits of what we know.

    2. Plato's Theory of Forms is the theory that is connected to the story of the cave. I do believe most people are stuck in a cave but have the power to find the outside world. I think people may start in the cave for different reasons. One reason may be that someone holds everything their parents say to be true, and don't learn to form their own opinions or beliefs on certain things. Another reason someone may be stuck in the cave, is just simply being scared or afraid of the unknown. I think some people are hesitant to try new things or stick out from the crowd and think about everything that can go wrong instead of considering everything that could go right. I think it all just comes down to testing your comfort zone, and putting yourself in situations that don't necessarily make you feel comfort to grow as a person.

    3. Socrates said his inner voice told him to question everything. He held this belief so true to himself that he chose his own fate rather than to stop questioning everything. I believe his ''inner voice'' was just his mind telling him what certain things he should question.

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  40. Section 11

    LHP:

    1. A successful conversation for Socrates consisted of him questioning someone's belief for them to realize that what they thought they knew was in fact not so true according to their own beliefs. By wisdom Socrates means the simple act of recognizing that you do not know anything about anything, and once that is admitted you can then begin to discover.

    2. The cave story was connected to Plato's Theory of Forms. I do not believe that humans are stuck in their own caves to say, but I do believe that there are humans who are content with the cave, or never realize they are in a cave in the first place. I believe that mankind has been off its natural course since consumption consumed the globe, few people chase real things anymore, it seems as if everyone has forgotten about the world of natural things like nature and the evolution of earth and the creatures who live among it.

    3. His "inner voice" told him to ask questions to the very end and to never give in. I believe inner voice is open for interpretation, some refer to themselves as the third person voice or give it an identity, I believe it can be all those things as well as God or the Creator however someone may refer to him based upon their religion and beliefs.


    HWT:

    1. One of the greatest unexplained wonders of human history is that written philosophy first flowered entirely separately in different parts of the globe at more or less the same time.

    2. I do not agree with the idea that we cannot understand ourselves unless we understand others. I can agree with the idea that understanding others is a great step in the right direction to having a more in depth understanding of yourself and your place in this world. I believe as you evolve through life's phases, you can overtime add skills, beliefs, and perspectives to your inventory to continue on your journey life is full of lessons.

    3. " Wherever we live 'we are clearly persuaded more by custom and example than by any certain knowledge."

    4. He believed that every day experience provided the benchmarks for truth.

    5. Philosophies that suggested concrete action, which were seen by many as offering a challenge to traditional philosophies that were increasingly used to maintain the status quo.

    6. He says they lack common traditional culture, common languages, a common religious or conceptual vocabulary.

    FL:

    1. People in the reality-based community believe that solutions emerge from judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore.

    2. Half of America believes that heaven exists and is ruled by God, a man. A quarter of Americans believe that vaccines cause autism.

    3. It seems as if he is sending a wakeup call to Americans. Explaining the difference between our false realities and our actual realities. Being reasonably optimistic.

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  41. Racheal Clark
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    1. Anything that could leave people questioning was an ideal for Socrates.
    2. I feel as if everyone is stuck in their own mindset (cave). Plato knew people are afraid of change and what's on the outside. It all came down to his theory of forms.
    3. "Never stop questioning" his voice told him. I see it more so not a desperate attempt to ignore death that faced him, but to embrace it.

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  42. LHP
    1. To Socrates, a successful conversation ended with everyone questioning everything they had ever known. He wanted to make people question things that they believed they knew the answers to, he loved to push the limits of what we are usually “not supposed” to question, which is why he was labeled dangerous.


    2.The forms theory is connected to Plato’s cave theory. I do believe humans naturally are in the cave, we are born into a society where most things are put on to us since birth, like political views, morals and more. We are only able to escape the cave once we think critically for ourselves and question the things around us.


    3. Socrates says that his inner voice told him to continue to question everything. I believe Socrates’ inner voice is his conscience guiding him, not something literal.

    Makenzie keen, section 13

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  43. LHP #11
    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    A conversation was a success, for Socrates, was when it ended and the person started to question what they believed or thought about a certain subject. Socrates wanted to see how far they could push their beliefs and assumptions. What he meant by wisdom was not fully knowing everything about a certain topic and asking hard questions to answer.
    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    Plato's story of the cave is connected with Plato's Theory of Form. I think everyone is stuck in a cave at a point in their life. Some people are afraid to come out of "their cave" because they would be going into something they are not familiar with and they may not be ready for that change.
    3.What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    Socrates inner voice told him to keep questioning everything and that he could not betray him. I don't think the "inner voice" was something literal but more as his conscious or gut.

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  44. 1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom? Socrates saw a conversation as successful when he could make the person he was having a conversation with question themselves or their beliefs. Wisdom for Socrates was understanding and coming to the conclusion that he didn't know fully about something, so he could begin to question and learn about it.

    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave? I think Plato's story of connected with his theory of forms. I think humans can either be forced into or choose to put themselves in a cave. I think that some people become so closed minded to things they are not used to, and they lose potential wisdom in the process.

    3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal? He said his inner voice told him to never stop questioning everything. I see his inner voice as a representative of his beliefs and morals deep down. Questioning everything was just the person that Socrates was. If he was to stop questioning and be quiet, then he might as well be dead because he is not himself within.
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  45. 1. A successful conversation to Socrates is a conversation that ended with the anyone questioning what they thought was "reality." He wanted to challenge peoples thought processes and maybe even change how they think about certain topics.

    2. The cave story is connected to Plato's theory of forms. I believe that humans can be stuck in their own "caves.'' Whether it is by choice or not, people can be stuck in their own ways and be trapped in the "cave." However, when people are close minded, they do not realize they are in this cave and may be happy there.

    3. Socrates "inner voice" told him to never stop questioning things and he would never not listen to this voice. I do not think the "inner voice" is a literal voice in his head, but rather a way to represent his beliefs.

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  46. LHP

    1. What kind of conversation was a success, for Socrates, and what did he mean by wisdom?
    Yes, the conversation was successful because of the outcome the person was quick to expand more of the topic of the conversation, of their beliefs, Socrates goal was try to push that mindset of deep thinking. When wisdom came up he was saying even though you don’t have no knowledge of what something and still wanting to know the answer and asking complicated questions.

    2. What theory is Plato's story of the cave connected with? Do you think some or all humans are naturally, in some allegorical sense, stuck in a cave?
    Platos story of the cave connected with how he sees his theory and how it form and puts together, I do believe some humans are stuck in a cave because they are wired into a certain mindset and not willing to get out of it as well as to be open minded end.

    3. What did Socrates say his inner voice told him? Do you think "inner voice" is literal?
    His voice in his head would encourage him to never stop being curious and questioning his theory, I thought it was his conscious but another way show and further his beliefs.

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  47. HWT questions #11
    1. Philosophy flowered spontaneously around the world between the 6th and 8th centuries.
    2. I agree in the sense that to really know yourself you have to know other people to. If you had no one to compare yourself to then you wouldn't know how you were different or what makes you special.
    3. He said that we are persuaded more by custom and example than knowledge.
    4. Buddha claimed that only experience could serve as evidence worth interpreting.
    5. Aristotle's work along with many other Greek philosophers spread around the world and affected many counties' philosophical perspective. He was so well known he started to be called "the philosopher."
    6. Kwame Appiah said that African culture does not share tradition, language, or a common religion with us.

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  48. #11
    1. Socrates asked someone that if you were to take the knife from someone who feels very low is it moral? He meant that people with claiming not knowing lots of facts but it meant you knowing the true nature of including of what we can know. This conversation was a success because it made people question reality and that's what he wanted. people who are wise keeps on asking questions they don't always know the answer to.
    2. There’s theory of forms. With the fire people thought it was the object being shown by the shadow but in reality when the person left they saw it was a figure built to look like something else. I do think most humans are stuck blindly in a cave . Give our government and news for example, we believe what is only shown on the news because that’s the easiest access we have. We don’t strive to learn more. Philosophers can see beyond the shadows.
    3.His voice was influencing him to never stop asking questions. Since Was what he wanted to do in life I believe it was literal.

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  49. #11 LHP Questions
    1. According to Socrates, a successful conversation was one which left you realizing how little you know. Wisdom, to Socrates, was understanding the true nature of our existence.
    2. Plato's Theory of Forms. I feel everyone is stuck in a cave to a certain extent as absolute truth of life is always out of reach. It's sort of like breaking out of a bubble only to escape to a larger bubble.
    3. He said his inner voice told him to never stop questioning everything. The inner voice came off as metaphor, more like that of an impulse/habit.

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