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Wednesday, January 27, 2021

Questions January 28

For discussion in class and in the comments space below. Feel free to add and reply to your own questions about the assigned readings.

Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)? 

Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5) 

Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6) 

Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4) 

Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6) 

Do you agree with Martin Luther's "only prerequisite for being a good Christian"? (17) 

Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv) 

Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others? (xviii) 

Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons? (xxiv) 

Are multi-cultural, multi-lingual persons and societies more creative and insightful? (xxxii)

39 comments:

  1. After doing the reading for class yesterday and reviewing the questions I felt like I should share some of my thoughts and responses.

    (Q) Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)?
    - I do agree that a successful conversation CAN consist of people realizing just how little they know. However, I do think that there are different types of conversations, so it does not always apply.
    - I completely agree that wisdom is about understanding the true nature of our existence, including limits of what we can know in the first place.

    (Q) Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what is "outside"? (p.5)
    - I also agree with Plato’s Philosophy. The man who breaks free to see the outside world and comes back to tell the other cave-dwellers of what he saw on the outside. They essentially have little knowledge about reality because they are content looking at what is in front of them instead of within.

    (Q) Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6)
    - Never. I believe everyone ahs the right to vote. Not just those who are well educated and informed on all aspects regarding politics. I also think Art is beneficial and can allow people to better express their emotions.

    (Q) Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4)
    - I believe most of this country does indeed live in a world with fake versions of reality, and with a population that is ok with “truthiness” instead of facts.

    (Q) Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)
    - Yes, I do. As a Christian and being raised Christian I do indeed believe in angels. I also think that if you believe in Angels and heaven, then you must believe the devil and demons exist.

    (Q) Do you agree with Martin Luther's "only prerequisite for being a good Christian"? (17)
    - I do, I believe that believing and understanding the stories in the bible are all that require you to be a good Christian. Believe in Christ, and there you are a good Christian.


    (Q) Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv)
    - I do enjoy it a lot. It opens my eyes to why people behave in the ways that they do. It also helps you to better understand how they became the person they are today. I would like to believe that all Americans do this, however I know that they do not. I think that ties right back to how Americans now live a life where truthiness is just classified as regular truth.

    (Q) Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others? (xviii)
    - I feel that you cannot understand others until you understand yourself. I feel that it is comparable to saying, “you can’t love someone else until you love yourself”. If you cannot understand why you might behave in certain ways, and feel the emotions that you feel, how can you ever expect to understand others?

    (Q) Are multi-cultural, multi-lingual persons and societies more creative and insightful? (xxxii)
    - I do believe that they are more insightful. Individuals who are multi-cultural, and multi-lingual tend to ask more questions, know more about the cultures they either came from or studied.

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  2. Question 1: (a) I partially agree with Socrates' opinion on what a successful conversation looks like. I think some conversations can include both people walking away with maybe something they hadn't thought of before that help them grow, or indeed recognizing that they still have a lot to learn. I think that is healthy, but I don't think a conversation is a failure if someone doesn't walk confused. The purpose of every conversation is different so there is a time and a place for walking away and recognizing you still have a lot to learn.

    (b) As a Christian, I believe that true wisdom only comes from God. This is doesn't mean that someone who doesn't believe in God cannot be wise, but what I simply mean is that their wisdom would not be complete because it lacks what the Bible calls a "Fear of the Lord." According to Proverbs 9:10 "Fear of the Lord is the foundation of wisdom. Knowledge of the Holy One results in good judgement." Also in Job 12:13 it says, "But true wisdom and power are found in God, counsel and understanding are his."

    Question 2: I think Plato was onto something in what he was describing about the individuals in the cave. One cannot simply rely on what they see or what has been told to them, but they have to break free. They have seek the truth, and I think Plato's Theory of Forms was interesting because it makes me think of the nature of God. He is the ultimate form of love, truth, and everything good in order for me to understand what these characters should look like in my life I must seek Him out instead of simply looking of instances of these characters in people around me because we will not possess these things in its perfect form.

    Question 3:
    No, I would not want to live in the society that Plato proposed. I think all people should be treated equally and have equal rights in the society that they contribute to. I don't think a hierarchy and imbalance of power like that is right. I also think art is a necessary part of life.

    Question 4:
    I do agree that this nation has become one of "truthiness" where people are only concerned with what is true to themselves instead of seeking out actual truth. Truth must be something that can stand firm. Also, our culture is obsessed with fake reality. We consume social media and see snapshots of people's lives which is only a highlight of their life. This leads to mental health struggles, comparison, and others things. So yes, our country has definitely become a bit of a fantasyland.

    Question 5:
    Yes. As a Christian I do believe in angels and demons.

    Question 6:
    Believing that the Bible is the Word of God and believing that Jesus died and resurrected in order to save our souls is what makes one a Christian. Following Jesus means being obedient to His will and His commands. An active faith and intentionally following His commands are also important things for Christians to strive for. James 2:26 says, "Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works.

    Question 7:
    I do enjoy gaining perspective from people who believe differently than I do, and learning about these things. Often times, it forces me to wrestle with questions I've never thought about and it forces to also know different reasons why I believe in Jesus versus other religions. It often reinforces reason why I am a Christian and live the way I do.

    Question 8:
    I think understanding who you are comes from knowing who God says you are, self-reflection, prayer, etc... I think once you know who you are and who God says you are then you will be able to interact, love, and understand others better.

    Question 9:
    I think multi-cultural people can be more insightful, creative and observant in certain instances. I think all of their different lived experiences really adds to their desire to learn more, work hard, and grow in life.

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  3. Aalayis Suggs, Section 8January 27, 2021 at 10:38 PM

    Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5)

    I do agree with Plato’s idea that thinking is important, but not that it’s the only way to get a clear understanding of the world/universe. I could be misinterpreting the caveman story, but it seems to contradict what Plato was saying about discovering “the nature of reality by thinking rather than relying on their senses.” It says, “The man who breaks free is like a philosopher. He sees beyond appearances.” He sees beyond appearances, not thinks beyond appearances. He discovered the truth by using his physical senses, so doesn’t this story say that we should spend more time studying the physical?


    Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons? (xxiv)

    I value reason and rationality, but I don’t think we have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons. As long as someone isn’t acting in ways that harm others, I think it’s only their own business. For example, if someone has no rational reason to believe in fairies but does anyway, I think that’s fine. Why would they need to be able to defend their idea?


    Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv)

    I do. I didn’t grow up with a religion, so I’m only recently learning about them. I’ve been learning about Jewish culture from recommendations from a Jewish Culture and Civilizations teacher at MTSU, Aaron Shapiro, who was also my English professor. I’ve also joined a Non-Denominational Christian Church. It’s very interesting to learn these religions, and I can now catch Bible references that I’ve missed in the past. There’s a good deal in all religions that I don’t agree with, but I generally agree with their values, and I think being a part of a friendly church community has made me a better person.

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  4. Question 1:
    I think there can be many types of successful conversations; ones to learn, ones to laugh, ones to relax, etc. In Socrate’s case, it was the first conversation-they learned that they knew nothing so in my definition it would be successful.

    Question 2:
    I think Plato’s comparison is too extreme. In the cave dweller’s case, all they had to do was turn around and look outside to find the true reality. For us, there is no outside we can turn around and find physically. If he means we should look inside in our minds and think deeper to see the true reality, I would argue that our thoughts are already accounted for and based on our physical reality. To me, it is comparable to living in Flatland. 2D creatures have no idea that there is a third dimension. Their reality can only ever be 2D, the same as our reality can only ever be 3D. We could never see the fourth dimension. The cave dwellers had the option to turn around, we don’t. If what we are seeing and thinking really is shadows, then we have to accept it since there is no other way of stepping outside the cave. We can try and imagine the true reality, but we will never have any way of ever knowing.

    Question 3:
    Plato’s republic sounds great in theory, awful in practice, and I would absolutely not want to live in it. He forgets that humans have ambition and interests and would not be content to stay at their level just because they were deemed “not thinkers”.

    Question 4:
    Yes, people have decided what they wish is what is actually true. We have become a pick and choose your facts kind of nation. If you don’t like it, well it’s okay, it wasn’t true anyway.

    Question 5:
    No, I’m an atheist.

    Question 6:
    I think Luther’s idea of how to be a good Christian was severely lacking. His lord and savior preached helping the poor and sick and went so far as to die for it. They need to practice what they preach instead of just “believing” and taking a Christianity from the couch kind of approach.

    Question 7:
    I love finding new ideas. It’s like a whole new world has opened up to me. My beliefs are the foundation of how I see reality so if something shakes them, my world changes. I would hope most people enjoy that, but I have seen many people get angry over things that cause the slightest bit of doubt.

    Question 8:
    I agree. I always try and put myself in someone else’s shoes especially if we are arguing. It allows me to understand better where they are coming from and how I am coming across. I also think people aren’t really all that different and learning how to read/understand others allows me to actually see myself.

    Question 9:
    Yes, if we don’t base our opinions on facts there is no point in anything. The world needs to have an agreed-upon baseline, otherwise, it’s free for all.

    Question 10:
    I think so. I read once that multilingual people can have different personalities in each language. There is also the fact that some words only exist in certain languages so it opens up new ways of thinking. As George Orwell said in 1984, you can’t have a thought if you don’t have the words to express it.

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  5. Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)? 

    Answer: No. The conversation may be successful for Socrates or maybe both parties, but it could also be irritating to the party that is getting grilled with questions. However, the end results could enlighten both parties if both are engaged in asking questions,

    Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5)
     
    Answer: Yes. There is so much in this world that we don’t know. For example: The United States is a country made up of many cultures, but we as a nation people, have a hard time getting to really know one another. We may see each other in public setting(what’s in front of us), but it seems we don’t make any effort to cultivate real friendships. We have a tendency to stay in our own little worlds, mostly because of race and social status. I don’t mean to throw everyone in the same basket. I know there are some exceptions.

    Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6) 
    Answer: No. That is why we need to do everything we can to keep democracy alive and well.

    Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4) 
    Answer: Not there yet, but we certainly have those tendencies.

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  6. q1. I suppose it depends on the subject, but generally speaking I do agree. We are only human and on a evolution scale still barley out of the woods. However, we have come a long way through what we know as facts by testing hypothesis's with instruments or physically.

    q2. yes. The only way to know what is outside the cave is to go towards the light and see for yourself. If not staying in the cave is a ignorance is a bliss situation.

    q3. no. it's hard because there can be no governing body that can define justice in every sense.

    q4 Absolutely. With all the information and misinformation online, it is easy to be convinced of a false narrative if you are looking for information with a pre bias.

    q5. No

    q6. No

    q7. I do like learning about anything new. Knowing how people live in the past and present to me helps mold a better understanding of how people exist universally. I do find value in this as it allows me to better understand life itself. I sure hope most people do.


    q8. yes and no. for example understanding how others see things can help one understand why they see things that way. However there are some situations where it would not help one understand themselves. For example sometimes closed minded individuals there is no reasoning with.

    q9. yes. We have to adhere to some notion of rationality and reasoning otherwise we would just be wild animals.

    q10. I'd have to say yes. People who are cultured in many societies tend to have a more confident and shaped view of the meaning of life.

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  7. Section 7

    1. I love Socrates’ conception of a successful conversation because it opens up a whole new way of thinking for someone and could be the thing to spark something greater for them. I also agree with his definition of wisdom as well.

    2.Yes, I really like the way he made this comparison. It honestly made me take a look at myself for a second and made me realize that I am someone that is somewhat “content with looking at what’s in front of them rather than thinking deeply about it. ” There are times when I do think outside of the box, but in this society today we get laughed at for announcing abstract ideas and are called “dreamers” and are told to come back to reality.

    3. No, I don’t really think I would want to live there because I already know what it’s like in a democratic society. I think it’s just human nature, but humans don’t truly like living a “cookie-cutter” life, so because we are able to use these complex brains that we were gifted with, it makes life worth living.

    4. I believe that for a very long time that or nation has been alternating between truthiness and truth. I see the process as in the older times, people would base a lot of the thing that they did/said off of what their heart told them. Then, as the years passed, people would base things off of hard-copy facts and somewhat disregarded what felt right in their hearts. Now, we are currently at crossroads with truth and truthiness; some pursue life through their hearts, while some use straight facts as their guides.

    5. Yes. I do believe in angels and demons. Why? It was the way that I was raised. Everything made sense; it gave reasoning behind why some people are good and some are bad, and why certain catastrophes and miracles happen. Until I really research and see things from a different point of view that proves this belief outland-ish, I most likely will continue to believe in them.

    6. I have very mixed feelings about this question for a number of reasons, but I believe that there is a higher being that created this universe, but no one will ever truly know the story as to how and why everything started until their end date.

    7. Yes, I do enjoy encountering new ideas and philosophies and comparing them to my own because it usually gives me the reasoning behind why it makes sense for me to think that way in the first place, why I go by certain “rules” in my life. I definitely find value in it and that most other people do as well.

    8. Yes, I do agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others. I believe that walking in someone else’s shoes definitely gives a better and deeper understanding of why I am the way that I am. If you really think about it, “homo sapien” means “man of reasoning.” We all have reasons why we do things, but someone may seem “unreasonable” to you because you haven’t walked in their shoes to see why they think a bit differently than you.

    9. Yes! This question kind of goes along with my previous response, but yes, even though something may seem unreasonable or irrational to you and your way of thinking, it doesn’t mean that it is in someone else’s eyes. There will be a lot of people that see it the same way that you do and a lot of people that see it the other way as well.

    10. Yes. This is why America is so...innovative, yet argues with one another so often. I see the U.S. as a giant mixing pot of all cultures, religions, ideas, etc. from all over the world, therefore there are so many different beliefs, ideas, foods, fashions, etc. there everyone gets introduced to which ultimately broadens our creativity and insight.

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  8. Section 7

    1. I agree with Socrates because the idea of speaking to people is seemed from gaining a different prospective in life. to better understand a person is to gain their prospective of the situation or thought process at hand.

    2. I don't agree fully. Why? It is because of the concept of going outside of yourself to find better understanding. Going outside of your environment to get better understanding is what I agree with, but a issue that is born from self has to be fixed from the inside out.

    3. No

    4. We have become a nation that loves the "idea" of truth but consistanly does not practice this moral belief. Our trusted leaders and holders of information commonly withhold information or fabricate it to change the narrative or prospective of the actual situation at hand.

    5. No.

    6. Where there is a creation there is a creator, this even, is a thought process that is formed from the fleshly understanding of the world. higher understanding of that may not be understood until we are no longer in our fleshly state.

    7. Yes I really enjoy gaining new prospectives to help my mind expand and grow. I find that learning in way of comparison is valuable to actual understand.A Childs mind grows until they reach around the age of 5-6 when they are normally taught out of the hobbits that made their minds grow consistently until that point. From that understanding I don't think a lot of people do.

    8. When a person is a bully, they are not inflicting judgment of the person as directly as they inflict their own judgment on themselves mentally. The physical or verbal concept of bullying is a reflection of what that person thinks of themselves. In turn understanding self helps you understand others and vice versa.

    9. I believe that reason and rationality is how you will be able to form thought that is not based on bias.

    10. I believe so because, they have very different influences that can help shape their mind. Their view of the world is very diverse so their understanding is deeper than that of a person who lived in the same place their entire life around the same people and who speak the same language.
    Vernon Cooper

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  9. Philo:1030-004
    1. I disagree. I think that conversations are used to ease our subconscious and entertain ourselves. I don't think they are used to leave us confused or enlightened of a new idea. I do have to agree with his definition of wisdom.

    2. I agree with Plato. Being humans our main purpose is to survive, and by thinking we are able to come across problems. Just as the early cavemen... It just took them a little bit more time.

    3.Personally I think that there is no such thing as a utopia. Society will never be completely happy with or without order.

    4. I think that our country is based of hearing the things that make us happy, or support our beliefs.

    5. I do believe in angels and demons.

    6. I think that your belief in any religion is all you need to be affiliated with that religion.

    7.I love finding new ideas, and listening to people's beliefs.

    8. I think that for us to understand ourselves we will have to be exposed to things outside of our thoughts. Otherwise you are living life from a single perspective.

    9.I think there is no reason to have a defensible claim if it something that you believe in deeply. That only person that you need to impress is yourself, everything else is just tolerated.

    10. I think that a a mix of cultures is what sparks creativity and the birth of new cultures.

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  10. #7

    1. I agree to a degree. I think that there is a lot to be learned from a conversation, but I do not think that every conversation has meaning. I also think he views wisdom as a gift and some people receive wisdom while others might get something else.

    2. I understand what he is saying, but I do not know if I agree. I think there are people out there that aren't open to new possibilities and don't believe anything anyone says. Saying that though, I don't think the person who "sees the sun" gets ignored by everyone, I think it takes an open minded person to listen and think about it.

    3. No. It does not give everyone equal opportunity, and gives the people no say in government. It almost sounds like a dictatorship.

    4. Yes, I believe that the truth is out there but people question if the truth is true.

    5. This is an interesting question, and I have never taken a whole lot of time to think about whether angels and demons are real or not.

    6. I believe that if you believe in a religion like baptist christianity or catholic christianity, that the only thing you have to do is believe in the beliefs.

    7. Yes, I do enjoy it because I love learning about how other people think and WHY? Especially if it does not line up with my own. Yes there is value in this and most people should value it, there are many that do not value it though.

    8. No, I believe that you need to understand yourself and the reason you do certain actions, before you try to analyze why other people are doing the things they are doing.

    9. Yes this is important because religion falls into this category, and religion shows people guidance.

    10. Yes, one person being able to understand and comprehend multiple languages and cultures is going to be wiser than the average person. Who is to say that the average person can not teach themselves how to be multi-lingual?

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  11. Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)?

    I agree with this idea of a successful conversation. I feel like nowadays, a lot of people go into a conversation (particularly about politics) with the idea that there needs to be a "winner" and a "loser" without really caring about trying to learn from the other person. I think the whole point of having a discussion with someone is to learn new perspectives and expand your knowledge, so a conversation ending in the realization on how much someone doesn't know is very much progress in the correct direction.

    I agree with him on the idea of wisdom as well. I think that knowing the limits of what we can know is important, and that ultimately the wisest person is someone who has an open mind for knowledge and is always questioning what is already thought to be known.

    Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5)

    This analogy makes a lot of sense to me. A lot of people are satisfied with the "what" and not the "why", taking things at face value without exploring the nature of it. I believe that there is inherently a bias to the truth of the world as viewing it from your own perspective, and it's something that exists outside of yourself.

    Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6)

    Absolutely not! For one, his Republic would lock a certain kind of thinking at the top, unable to be decided democratically by the public. His society is designed to essentially deny emotions, and his view on art is entirely different from mine. Whereas he thinks art obscures from the truth, I think that it enhances and lets us explore the truth. This sounds like a nightmare to me.

    Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4)

    I think so in different ways, but in a way, I think we've always been like that. I think conspiracy theories and feeling "right" over actual facts are at an all time high due to spread from the internet, but it's not like America hasn't been in spots like this before. The Salem Witch trials are a famous example I can think of off the top of my head. Emotional/"outrage" news is also at an all time high thanks to social media, and the truth is easily obscured by these feelings of vindictiveness, fear, and frustration.

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    1. I ran out of room so here's the second part:

      Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)

      I don't entirely know? I'm not opposed to their existence, but I don't let any belief (or lack thereof) in them dictate my life decisions in any meaningful way. I'd consider it as an agnostic mindset. I'm not bound to a specific view of the afterlife, although I was raised Christian and my mind tends to default to that imagery of spiritualism, but I want to explore those ideas over the next decade.

      Do you agree with Martin Luther's "only prerequisite for being a good Christian"? (17)

      In comparison to what the church was doing before people could read, yes. I don't think that anything but the source material can tell you how to follow what's in the Bible. However, I think that the idea of a "true Christian" is someone adhering to the morals and values outlined in the Bible rather than simply believing in the stories written down. A "Christ-like" mindset and intentions are what make someone a true follower of the Bible in my opinion.

      Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv)

      I absolutely LOVE learning about other people's perspectives and re-evaluating my stance on everything in my life. I consider myself very open to new perspectives and information as I come across it. The value in meeting new people from different backgrounds is a better understanding of the world and myself, ultimately helping me grow as a person. I think that a majority of people, especially as they get older (I'm hoping not me), like to settle down in their ways and are very resistant to change. They might find new concepts and viewpoints novel, but I ultimately think most people don't find meaningful value in those differences.

      Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others? (xviii)

      I think that while you can have a base understanding of yourself and be introspective with your ideas, other perspectives to challenge your ideas are required to truly understand why you have your core values.

      Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons? (xxiv)

      Yes; while viewpoints based in emotion are valid, they should also have more concrete reasons backing them if you want to convince other people to consider your point of view.

      Are multi-cultural, multi-lingual persons and societies more creative and insightful? (xxxii)

      I think that cultural diversity and taking inspiration from a variety of cultural influences is one of the most important things for creativity, as well as allowing us to understand what we truly value.

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  12. (Section 8)
    Keylee Cructher


    1. I feel like he wants different things from a conversation than I do for him to call that a successful conversation. When I first found out about philosophy, I also felt that that was a successful conversation. However, now, I would say the goal of the Conversation should be to come away from it at least knowing something more, not feeling like you don’t know anything. If it’s successful it should’ve showed you some thing, which I guess could be that you know nothing. And I feel his definition of wisdom is mostly correct. Wisdom is different from just being smart and being able to learn or memorize useless things- wisdom has a heavier meaning than that.

    2. Partially yes. To put it simply, I don’t think it’s possible to ever know that anything is 100% how we think it is. To truly understand or know something. How we are now, it’s not possible to know anything for sure. It’s definitely possible that’s an accurate metaphor for our world but I like “I don’t know” as a more fitting answer with how I feel.

    3. I don’t mean this in a rude way, but questions like these don’t really make sense to me. If I lived in his world, I wouldn’t know anything else and even if I did I couldn’t do anything so it doesn’t really matter if I want to live in it or not. That’s like asking someone else from a better world if they want to live in ours. We think our world is relatively fine, we’d probably think that there too if that’s all we knew. But if you’re asking if I would I like to go there after living here, I’d say no because we’d be able to choose even less in regards to our lives than we already can.

    4. I hope not but after reading the intro to this book it showed me how it really is. I had never thought about this way of thinking like that before and hadn’t realized how widespread it is. It’s scary honestly that I think we defiantly have.

    5. No I don’t.

    6. Honestly, I don’t really understand religion but I feel like the point he was trying to make was that if you believe in the supernatural stories that seem unbelievable, it’s like putting your faith in Jesus. I guess that was his way of making sure they really had faith in him by believing in him.

    7. Yes, it gives you insight into how another person or culture is and how it affects them. It also shows you how your own culture affects you. I feel like most people find it superficially interesting.

    8. Not fully, but when we’re growing up as kids I feel like it’s important, but not 100% necessary. As a kid, we learn how to appropriately show our emotions to other people. Understanding why someone’s mad and how they act about it shows us what to do when we’re mad and how to show people that were mad.

    9. Yes. Even if it’s some thing like spirituality or auras or something like that, I feel like there should at least be a defense saying it makes you feel a certain way or at least a little bit of science. I’m not saying people can’t have ideas that they can’t defend, I just honestly don’t see the point in it. Even though it’s not really a defensible reason, saying it makes you feel a certain way at least makes sense somewhat. But just completely disregarding facts and believing something for no reason makes no sense.

    10. Yes, being insightful means just knowing more knowledge about different things. Having another culture or another society makes people more insightful because they seem more things. I feel like it would make them more creative also but that feels a little more subjective I think.

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  13. 1) I agree that in understanding that we know nothing we can further a conversation and open our minds to each others view points. but I think its also vital to be aware of what you DO know As well.

    2) To a extent I agree with Plato's teaching about breaking free and looking around and not just straight. but to the extent that mankind is just cave dwellers I do not. Its important to see all sides but also to be able to focus on what in front of you.

    3)I do not agree with Plato's idea on his "utopia". He suggest a form of ancient eugenics and also would see that only those educated enough have a say in the government. He also see it ruled by a philosopher king which i do not see turning out successfully.

    4)I believe we live in a time in which people wish to believe what they wish to be true instead of the actual facts. so I agree to this.

    5) As a Christian, yes I do believe in heaven and angels as well as the devil and hell. I also believe and merciful but also ruthless god.

    6)I agree and believe that having faith in Christ is the biggest factor in faith. However the 10 commandments where not created as suggestions and must be followed to the best of ones ability.

    7)I enjoy learning new ideas, religions and cultures as it expands my understanding of the world and my own beliefs and also challenges some of my own beliefs at times.

    8)I feel that once you grasp yourself you can fully understand those around you. For if you do not know yourself and can you even try to fully understand someone else.

    9)I try to be a rational and logical thinker most of the time so i do agree. But emotions also plays a key aspect in thought and understanding as well.

    10)I do agree that multicultural/ linguistic people are more insightful. As they process a broader view on the world and not just the one that the culture they grew up in put on them. They also can be more empathetic to a variety of peoples problems.

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  14. Section 007 here.

    1. I don't think every conversation has a pure meaning, but I do believe there is something to be learned from every conversation. His way of going about a conversation is different than the average person's, this much is true. I agree to a majority extent.

    2. Somewhat, yeah, but not entirely. Their whole idea was making ideas out of false things, yet the truth was right behind them. There is no fire behind us we can look at to find the truth, it is more complex than Plato's comparison. HOWEVER, he is not entirely wrong -- there is some legitimacy to his comparison, however little.

    3. Negative. He had a very skewed version of value, and that distorts equality. Then again, who's to say I'm not wrong?

    4. I feel humanity has always been like that: the tendency to agree with what sounds correct. If you look on the periodic table, as you go L to R you notice atomic weight increases. The trend shows that should be the way with every element, but it isn't. There are cases where that "truthiness" doesn't hold, and there are far more examples than the periodic table. We've naturally lazy and we tend to look at trends compared to doing individual research.

    5. Yeah, of course.

    6. To an extent. To keep from rambling, I do believe you have to be a believer in Christ, but you can't be a societal menace. Thankfully I'm not the one who makes those decisions.

    7. Yes of course. I naturally enjoy learning about other cultures and perspectives, and that also opens the gate for learning new perspectives on life, arguments, and knowledge. It's a one-two for me, and it double stacks.

    8. Yeah, totally. If you have strong resolve in yourself, you invest into yourself, I feel you can know yourself pretty well. Not everything has to be compared or justified by looking at others.

    9. For the most part, yes. It makes sense to base your ideas and beliefs on justifiable claims, however there are also those ideas that come to fruition that you just "know", you know? For the most part, yes, but I won't be quick to dismiss a lightbulb claim.

    10. I think so, it demands more from their brain, therefore it's almost natural for them to be. More stimulation = more stimulation, it's (almost) like exponents.

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  15. Class Section: #4

    1) I kind of agree with Socrates' view of what a successful conservation looks like because I believe that when people communicate with each more often as they reveal the limits of what the other person you're talking to genuinely understands, then both you and the people you communicate with will then understand that anyone can find out more important topics about things from others.
    2) Yes, I do people that he was on the right track when he compared a regular human condition to a cave-dweller's are doesn't know what's going on outside because he explained and showed that anyone can still see appearances that are deceptive even though something may seem like it's part of a reality.

    3) No, because I would not want to live in a republic that keeps people under control by lies and force. Living in a republic like that would cause citizens to rebel against a society like that because of the direction it is going to. Taking away art will also not allow people to express their views of a certain idea or society in a positive way through a way of illustration.



    4) I do believe that our nation has become a nation more interested in "truthiness" more than truth, in alternative facts because there are people who believe that there are a lot of social and cultural advances through America's society so they use that as an advantage to focus more on "truthiness" and not truth.


    5) Yes, because I am a Christian. Since I am a Christian, I do also believe that angels are in a place called heaven, which is owned by a god who is a guy and not a vague force or a universal spirit either and that demons are in a place called hell. I do believe that the God that I believe in created humans in his image and that he is omniscient and holy. I also believe that demons are former angels that were in heaven who got expelled or "kicked out" of heaven because they started an aggressive rebellion that was like a war against the God I believe in. The demons are 1/3 of the group of former angels that rebelled against the god I believe in. The angels in heaven are the 2/3 of the group of angels that remained loyal to the god I believe in. I believe that the other place called hell is a place that was specifically created for the angels who rebelled against the God I believe in so that he could eternally punish them for what they have done.


    6) Yes because I believe that this man, Jesus, is the only person who can get you to heaven because no one is perfect enough to get to this place called heaven without Jesus getting you there by the grace of the god that I believe in from his forgiveness through this man named Jesus who was a Jewish man. Heaven is a place that is perfect without any bad things at all, not even death.


    7) Yes, because I believe encountering new ideas, philosophies, and religions gives anyone the idea to know how others think in regard to how anyone can understand each other in specific ways so they can understand things from your perspective as well as you understanding things from their perspective.


    8) Yes, because if we don't take the time to know the way people think about certain ideas, there can be really bad conflicts involved and can divide people if we don't just listen.


    9) Yes, if we don't then what's the point of supporting people when it comes to how they think on certain things, especially if they are good? I believe we can unify each other by just listening to what others think about a certain topic so we can find a way to support them in anyway we can.


    10) I believe so. The more cultures and languages that are exposed to societies, the more unity people might be able to have so they can understand why people believe things the way they do.

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  16. Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)?

    I think defining a perfect conversation isn’t necessarily black and white. I do think that learning something or understanding someone else in conversation is a good thing.

    Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5)

    I agree with that. Your perspective and what you’re exposed to matters a lot for how you view the world. Not everyone is enlightened.


    Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6)

    Not so much especially with it being totalitarian and banning some art. I understand what he means when he says “letting the people vote was like letting the passengers steer a ship ”, but I like our democracy.


    Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4)

    I would say yes. There is so much information online and everyone's social media is tailored to them and what they are interested in. I would think misinformation is at an all time high today, after all how many people say they got their news from Facebook or Tik Tok or some other social network. Maybe some of the news is true, but for me when people say that’s where they got their information, discredits it.


    Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)

    I wouldn’t say I believe angels and demons are active here on Earth. Maybe as a metaphor, yes.


    Do you agree with Martin Luther's "only prerequisite for being a good Christian"? (17)

    No, I think there is a lot more that can go into it. Is it about being a good Christian or being the best you can be to yourself and everyone else around you.


    Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv)

    Yes, all the time. I like to see how everyone else reasons with this crazy world. There are so many people and every one of them is different in individual ways, there is so much to learn from other people to gain some perspective at the least.

    Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others? (xviii)

    I think understanding others can give us a sense of reference to our identity.


    Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons? (xxiv)

    Yes of course, who am I to tell someone that their view is wrong because it doesn’t line up with my views? If that’s what they believe maybe I can learn something from it, or maybe they can learn something from me.


    Are multi-cultural, multi-lingual persons and societies more creative and insightful? (xxxii)

    I believe that multi-cultural, multi-lingual people can be more insightful because it’s like their mind has more ways to think than those who aren’t as exposed to such diversity.

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  17. Kallie Calloway (.#7)
    Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)?
    I don’t necessarily disagree that realizing how little you know may be a good thing, but sometimes it isn’t worth the work it takes to show a person that they do not know what they think that they know.

    Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5)
    Yes, as someone who has depression, I think that even I am guilty of being the person who is stuck looking at the shadows on the walls. My boyfriend is always telling me to stop looking into the things that drag me down, but it is much easier than fighting to see the things that are good. So, yes, I think people get stuck in what they believe is reality when there is really a much bigger picture.

    Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6)
    No.

    Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4)
    Yes, especially my generation. My generation is so invested in what we think might be reality that we cannot see the truth behind it, nor do we care to. We believe in Instagram stories and Facebook posts, but not the New York Times. It is honestly just absolutely exhausting.

    Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)
    Yes, but not because of religion.

    Do you agree with Martin Luther's "only prerequisite for being a good Christian"? (17)
    No, you must be a good person with good intentions.

    Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv)
    Yes, most of the time, as long as they are respectful of people. I do find value in it because I love learning. I do not feel as though most people are open minded enough to enjoy or find value in it though.

    Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others? (xviii)
    No, I feel as though we must first understand ourselves to understand others.

    Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons? (xxiv)
    I am an overly reasoning person, so I value reason and rationality.

    Are multi-cultural, multi-lingual persons and societies more creative and insightful? (xxxii)
    Yes because they have had to open themselves to multiple influences to become multicultural or multilingual and they often have better insight.

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  18. Kelvin Luna-Ochoa
    Section (8)

    1). I do agree with both in how a successful conversation looks like and his wisdom. I love the idea of how Socrates speaks more rather than writing his ideas down. Not sure if Socrates was being humble about his wisdom or not, but his thoughts attracted people to listen to him.

    2). Plato's imaginary cave was on the right track to understanding human condition. Reading this paragraph made it easy for me to understand his point. I love the imagery Plato used in describing the shadows in the cave. Stepping outside the cave is what makes life more interesting.

    3). No, I would feel totally out of place.

    4). Yes, the internet has played a big role in what we believe and don't believe. And this idea of "FantasyLand" has grown more because of more accessibility we have to the internet.

    5). Yeah I do believe in spirts, angles, and demons. I grew up under religious family which makes sense. I like the way Anderson uses "2/3" to describe each section of the United States in what they believe.

    6). No

    7). Yes I enjoy and viewing other people's idea on anything. I don't necessary value it but more try to understand and analyze their thoughts. I think its 50/50 in people trying to encounter new ideas. When is comes to religion the majority choose not listen to other religion's ideas and values.

    8). No I think its the other way around. If we don't know our own thoughts, there is no way we could understand other people.

    9). Yes, having a concrete reason in what you believe makes your ideas have a valid point.

    10). For sure people who speak multiple languages will experience more ideas and interactions rather than a person who speaks one. Languages can be connected with many cultures which helps one who speaks multiple more understanding of different cultures.

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  19. Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)?
    I somewhat agree with Socrates' idea of a successful conversation. I do think that a good intellectual discussion should leave you pondering what you've learned, but in general conversation, I don't always want to question things philosophically. I agree with his idea of what wisdom is. I think to become wise you need to always seek more information and ask questions.

    Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5)
    I think Plato's theory of forms does capture the human condition. To find and learn new things beyond what you've seen is important for ones evolution. Sometimes straightforward rigid morals can be bent to change our perception of what's truly right and wrong.

    Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6)
    No. I think the lack of democracy would be pretty unenjoyable.
    Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4)
    I think nowadays, it's much easier to find information online that is questionable in authenticity. So yes.

    Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)
    I am not a religious person, so I can't really say that I believe 100% that angels and demons exist. I myself have never seen one. I think of them in a more literal sense, angels and demons may not be real creatures that exist with wings and horns, but some people can be evil or good just like them.

    Do you agree with Martin Luther's "only prerequisite for being a good Christian"? (17)
    I think it takes a lot more than just reading a book to be a devoted "Christian" I've read many books, but that doesn't mean that I'm extremely devoted to the author or message. To be devoted, you have to practice what's written.
    Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv)
    Yes! Learning new things is what keeps life interesting. I find value in learning such things because they expand my idea of the world. I'd say most people would agree with me.
    Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others? (xviii)
    No, I think it's the other way around. You need to understand yourself to understand others.
    Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons? (xxiv)
    I do value reason to some extent. This is why I'm not religious. If you truly want to prove an idea then it needs to have some evidence to prove your point.
    Are multi-cultural, multi-lingual persons and societies more creative and insightful? (xxxii)
    Most definitely. Not saying America isn't more creative, but each society has their own way of explaining things. To them what might be typical, is something amazing to an onlooker.

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  20. 1. I somewhat agree with his definition of a conversation. It can be interesting to dive into a topic and learn something from it. But that is not how every conversation should go. I feel a successful conversation is when the parties involved are satisfied talking about a topic. I disagree with his definition of wisdom. My definition of wisdom is divine knowledge; something that God can give. Something that is so different that nobody has thought of. Knowing lots of facts makes a person smart, intelligent, and knowledgable, but not wise.
    2.Plato might be correct about his analogy. Most people do not believe others unless they have experienced it for themselves. We use the five senses to understand the world around us, and we know certain things to be true because we have done it. For example, when I was young, I was told not to touch the iron when it was plugged in otherwise it would hurt me, obviously, me being a child, did it anyway and burned myself. From experience, I learned not to touch it, even though I was warned not to. In the same way, Plato was right about human condition, they only learn by themselves and the five senses, not through what others tell them.
    3. I don't think I would want to live in his republic. It seems dictatorship-like, and could be easily corrupted, because after all they too are just humans.
    4. We become more involved with our own illusions and anything that strays from it we do not like it. Because of easy accessible information such as the internet, we are able to feed our own mindsets rather than looking at the facts.
    5. Yes, I do believe in angels and demons.
    6. I do not completely agree with his prerequisite. He believes that belief in the Bible stories is the only prerequisite to being a good Christian. I am a Christian and I believe that no Christian can be completely good, we are still human after all, but we should live our lives as Jesus does. Belief is part of it, but we should show it by our actions.
    7. Yes, seeing different philosophies and ideas are what makes up a person. By learning different things and ideas, you are growing as a person, and I am in favor of it. I think that is what makes life interesting, rather than just staying in your own little bubble. People should take advantage of every aspect and learn.
    8. The question itself is strange. I feel like we can understand ourselves, because that's the one person we know best, rather understanding others. Very few people are gifted with understanding others, and that's because they have went through the same experience as them. Like for example, one cannot sympathize with someone who is mourning a relative who passed away by sickness, if they do not have the same situation.
    9.Yes, reason and rationality sometimes are our best defenses. Yes, we should base our ideas on defensible reasons.
    10. Yes, multi lingual and multicultural societies and people tend to be more creative and insightful because they have experienced different ideas and views and seen a lot more than a person who only knows one culture.

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  21. Do you agree with Socrates' conception of what a successful conversation looks like (see LH p.2), or his definition of wisdom (p.3)?
    -I partially agree with Socrates’ conception of a successful conversation. I believe that much progress can come from discussing and realizing just how little one truly knows, but if both individuals involved know little about the given topic then success seems impossible.

    Do you think Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers who are clueless about what's "outside"? (p.5)
    -I find that Plato’s thoughts on the human condition are quite accurate. Humans tend to be superficial and ignorant. If something is not directly in front of us we usually don’t look too hard for it. Plato was asserting that humans choose not to look deeper within themselves and question their reality, instead, they reside in ignorant bliss.

    Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6)
    -Plato’s perfect version of society seems plausible in theory, but would fail instantly in reality. People have their own desires and goals in life, being told what to do when and where would not go over well. So no, I would not want to live in Plato’s utopian Republic.

    Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"? (FL p.4)
    -I do believe that we as a nation choose to believe what is most convenient and applicable to our ideologies. We often decide to look the other way in order to avoid the unwanted truth. This notion has become particularly evident in the past four years.

    Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)
    -Yes, I would consider myself to be among the 2/3s of Americans that believe in angels and demons. I grew up Christian, so this notion has always been a part of my life.

    Do you agree with Martin Luther's "only prerequisite for being a good Christian"? (17)
    -I find MLK’s prerequisite for being a good Christian was lacking in certain aspects. I think he had the right intention, but in order to even be considered a Christian you must accept that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior. Only then can you believe in parables of the Bible.

    Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do? (HWT p.xiv)
    -Yes I do, I find it extremely fascinating to learn and discover new ideas etc. In high school, I took a class on different cultures in Hispanic life. It was so interesting to see how other humans live and coexist. I find value in this as I believe it makes me a well versed person to have knowledge on lots of different topics. I think most people find new ideas to be interesting, but do not necessarily find value in these matters.

    Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others? (xviii)
    -I actually disagree with this notion. I think that we cannot understand others if we cannot understand ourselves. How are we to judge and interpret others if you cannot do that to yourself?

    Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons? (xxiv)
    -Yes I do, I think that reason and rationality are the only reasons arguments are ever settled. How are things ever to be settled if there is no baseline understanding?

    Are multi-cultural, multi-lingual persons and societies more creative and insightful? (xxxii)
    -I believe this to be true. The more you know about other cultures and societies the more knowledgeable and insightful you are. Those who speak different languages often find themselves acting in different ways in each language. I can attest to this as I feel that I have a different personality when I speak Spanish.

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    1. do you believe in demons and angel merely because you are born into a christian household, or because your firmly believe in them yourself?

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  22. #8 (Q1) I agree with Socrates’ conception of a successful conversation because people who talk without knowledge of the subject have little weight carrying in their words. I find it best to find out what you do not know rather than reinforcing what you do know, which also agrees with his definition of wisdom.
    (Q2) Plato’s Utopian Republic would be a terrible place to live. Usually Utopias are thought of places where everyone dies of old age because everything is so perfect, but Plato’s perfect Republic describes a totalitarian state that most commonly leads to ruin in a dystopia.

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  23. Have we become a nation more interested in "truthiness" than truth, in alternative "facts" and fake "realities"?

    Our country has prioritized indoctrination over education for a long time now and it has finally payed off. It has gotten so bad in fact that almost half the country can't recognize what is fact or fiction. This is because it is easier to tell people lies that they want to believe than to tell them the truth. Politicians have based their whole careers on being able to lie to constituents and they get away with it because our citizens are so uneducated and ill-informed, purposefully, so that they are easier to control.

    Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do?

    I love learning new things about people and cultures, there is so much to gain from learning about how other people live differently from ourselves. Tradition is boring, the world would be such a better place if people were more open to other's ideas. Too many people are so closed minded and take offense to learning new things.

    Do you agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others?

    The better we understand those around us, the better we can reflect on our own behaviors. I Don't think it is necessary to understand others to understand yourself but it definitely helps.

    Do you value reason and rationality, and generally the notion that we all have an obligation to base our ideas on defensible reasons?

    If you cannot back your statements and ideals with reason and rationality then why are you even speaking. If you are not educated on a topic or willing to do research on it then how can you possibly form an opinion on something you know nothing about. I personally find it moronic when people make statements about things they have no knowledge on. Until you have educated yourself or are willing to educate yourself then keep your mouth shut.

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  24. Section 7
    I do agree with Socrates idea of a conversation as well, in that it is important to have some sort of idea on the subject to be able to contribute to the conversation.
    I also do not agree with Plato's utopia. It sounds very restrictive and seems like it would end up failing in the long run.
    I don't know if i would consider myself as someone who believes in angel or demons. I just can't seem to see higher-beings that live on in an afterlife or such.

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  25. Section 4

    I do believe Plato was on the right track when he compared the human condition to that of cave-dwellers. I believe that most of us are so caught up in living out a daily routine that we are oblivious to most things happening around us. Of course, we can always attempt to stay up to speed with the news, but I believe that Plato was referring to our levels of consciousness when he was speaking of the cave-dwellers. I would like to discuss a conversation I have previously had with a shaman on a subject fairly similar to this one. He explained to me that in our everyday lives, we are given a choice that mimics the red and blue pill in the 1999 film The Matrix. He told me that approximately 90% of the human race has taken the blue pill, which is represented in the film as blissful ignorance. We wake up every day and repeat the same patterns and never ask questions. We are completely unaware of what’s going on outside the cave. We may know every little detail about what’s inside the cave, but we are still completely oblivious to a life outside of what we know to be true. Roughly 10% of humanity has made a conscious choice to take the red pill that reveals the truth of our reality, no matter how unpleasant it may be. Those who have taken the red pill are those who have wandered outside of the cave in Plato’s writing. They are no longer living blissfully. Questions are then raised, and answers are sought out.

    I would not want to live in Plato’s utopia. In his writings, he explains that in his utopia, philosophers, soldiers, and workers would make up the hierarchy and would be deemed the leaders. Democracy would be demolished, along with many forms of art. Plato believed that art painted a false reality and saw no practical use for it. I would not enjoy living in this utopian Republic for these exact reasons. I value democracy, as well as most forms of art, so this way of living does not interest me.

    I agree that we cannot understand ourselves if we do not understand others. I feel like the characteristics I would use to describe myself would not be accurate if I were not able to base them off of my understanding of others. For example, I think of myself as an empath. By understanding other’s struggles and hardships, I have been able to understand that I am a person who cares deeply for the well-being of those around me. Without understanding those around me, I would not have any reason to believe that I am capable of feeling empathy towards others. Hypothetically, if I were an angry person, I would not be made aware of this until I was able to understand how my anger impacts another person. Without understanding someone else, I wouldn’t have the slightest clue that my anger is a characteristic that not all humans express to the same degree. This also allows us to understand the “cause and effect” principle that unlocks a deeper level of thinking about our character.

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  26. Kirolos Flimoon #4
    Should you always mistrust your senses, if they've occasionally misled you?
    In “A little history of philosophy” the author, Nigel Warburden presented the idea of “Should you always mistrust your senses, if they've occasionally misled you?” I do not believe that just because something has necessarily failed me, that it will always continue to do so, however, I will know to be cautious. Like many, my senses have failed me before, but I continue to rely on them because they have also come to my aid and overall helped me. Nothing is guaranteed in life and things will go wrong at times, which is why knowing and learning how to react to a failure is what is truly important. Other than my senses, I can still say that many things fail me in different ways like technology. We've all had some piece of technology that at some point broke, glitched, or wouldn’t work for some unknown reason, yet we continue to use it in our daily lives. Just because there is failure in something does not mean that success is unachievable, it just means that it is going to take an additional step and a little more effort to get there. We tend to choose what we think can be the easiest fix for the problem and that maybe if we can replace only what is broken all will be good.

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  27. Kirolos Flimoon #4
    In “How the world thinks” the author, Julian Baggini presented the idea of “Do you enjoy encountering new (to you) ideas, philosophies, religions, traditions etc., and comparing them to your own? Do you find value in that? Do you think most people do?” I think that it is important for everyone to hear what others have to say about a personal idea or philosophy. I personally like hearing different people’s point of view when I talk about mostly anything not just about something new to me. Anytime I'm proposed an idea or philosophy I always have a first impression on it and as time goes by it gets harder for me to change my original opinion on it, but when I hear something else about it that goes against what I had thought originally, it would make me second guess it and maybe look at it from a completely different perspective. I find value in finding out information that I have previously overlooked or missed because it can change my whole perspective on a personal belief. This has helped me out in so many aspects of my life because it educated me about my mistakes and led be to a better mindset. I think that the majority of people do not enjoy encountering new ideas. Many people can be close minded and don’t want to know they’re wrong or simply can’t take the fact that they are wrong. People hold on to traditions simply because it is tradition and blindly follow it and will never stray from it. I think the majority hates change and would prefer to stay within their own ideas.

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  28. Prophetess Turner, Section 4:

    Would you want to live in Plato's so-called utopian Republic? (p.6)

    I would not have wanted to live in his society. I feel that it sounds more like a boarding school rather than an Eden type of place. I also feel that it is incredibly demeaning to others to have them feeling that only a certain group of people are able to think on a deeper level than them. I feel that we can all reach an enlightenment and we can all think deeply, we just need a little push.

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  29. Marim Sameer
    Section 7
    Discussion answer/ weekly essay
    Are you with the 2/3 of Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)
    I do consider myself part of the 2/3 of Americans that believe in angels and demons. I was born into a Christian home which is why I started to be more open about believing in them. As I grew up, I started to get more curious and research and see other people encounters with them. I do believe that with the good comes in the bad and with the bad comes the good. I do think that there are creatures out in the universe that are not clear to us and are unfamiliar. Angels and demons being amongst them.

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  30. 1) i partially agree with socrates idea of a successfull conversation. I do agree that a good conversation can involve the exchangement of knowledge but i also believe there is nothing wrong with small talk because not every conversation needs to be on a deep level, sometimes its okay to give a quick hello to be friendly
    2) yes i do agree because i believe in order to find your true self you must step outside of the cave and discover the world to truly understand reality
    3) personally no, I believe everyone deserves to be treated equally regardless of intelligence or not
    4) i do agree yes that We have become a nation of altered realities and conspiracy theories rather than facts and logic.
    5)I personally do not believe in angels and demons simply because i am not religious, but if someone does i fully respect their beliefs
    6) I agree with Dr. Martin, even though i do not practice the fiath of christianity, i do believe in alot of Jesus's morals and believe people who believe in christ are good christians.
    7) i love learning about new cultures, philosophies, and religions because it shows to me how diverse the world is.
    8) i agree because in order to make your point stronger you must understand the other point, because if you don't understand your opposition how are you suppose to argue against it.
    9) I always value reason and rationality because without then nothing would ever make sense.
    10) I do believe so because it helps expand the mind for new ideas

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  31. Haven Word
    Section 4
    Discussion answer/essay

    Are you with the 2/3 Americans who believe in angels and demons (etc.)? (p.6)
    Yes I believe I am apart of that collective group. When living in a Christian household, you learn a lot especially from my grandparents. An interesting discovery I had though was that my mom is a Witch and I see/deal with those thoughts all the time. There are definitely good spirits vs. Bad spirits among our world and are around all the time.

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