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Tuesday, February 1, 2022

Questions FEB 3

Augustine, Boethius, Anselm, Aquinas-LH 6-8. FL 9-10, HWT 9-10


 LH

1. How did Augustine "solve" the problem of evil in his younger days, and then after his conversion to Christianity? Why wasn't it such a problem for him originally?

2. What does Boethius not mention about himself in The Consolation of Philosophy?

3. Boethius' "recollection of ideas" can be traced back to what philosopher?

4. What uniquely self-validating idea did Anselm say we have?

5. Gaunilo criticized Anselm's reasoning using what example?

6. What was Aquinas' 2nd Way?

FL
1. How did Enlightenment values advance in America in the 19th century?

2. What fantasy about 1776 has been accepted as fact by Americans across the religious spectrum (and Ronald Reagan) ever since?

3. How was religion in America, unlike Europe, non-binary?

4. How did Thomas Jefferson characterize America's religious differences in the north and the south?

5. What happened in Cane Ridge, KY in 1801, and how did a Vanderbilt historian describe it?

6. Who was Charles Finney, and what did he understand about American Christianity?

7. What did de Tocqueville say was different about religion in America, compared to Europe?

8. Who was William Miller and what beliefs did he help revive?

9. Who was Joseph Smith and what is the most interesting thing about him?

HWT
1. What fundamental and non-western sense of time has underpinned much of human history?

2. What is "dreamtime" and how is it alien to the modern west?

3. The universalism of western universities implies that what is unimportant?

4. What does John Gray say about the idea of progress?

5. Karma originally concerned what, and lacked what connotations now commonly associated with it?

6. What western ideas have displaced karma, for many young Indians?


Discussion Questions
  • [Add your own DQs]
  • Would the existence of evil equivalent to good, without guarantees of tthe inevitable triiumph of the latter, solve the problem of suffering?
  • Why do you think Boethius didn't write "The Consolation of Christianity"? 
  • Do you think you have a clear idea of what it would mean for there to be an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good supernatural being?
  • Do you think knowledge is really a form of remembering or recollection? Have we just forgotten what we knew?
  • Is there a difference between an uncaused cause (or unmoved mover) and a god?
  • Which is the more plausible explanation of the extent of gratuitous suffering in the world, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?
  • Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence? Why or why not?
  • What do you think of the Manichean idea that an "evil God created the earth and emtombed our souls in the prisons of our bodies"? (Dream of Reason 392)
  • Do you agree with Augustine about "the main message of Christianity...that man needs a great deal of help"? (DR 395). If so, must "help" take the form of supernatural salvation? If not, what do you think the message is? What kind of help do we need?
  • What do you think of Boethius' proposed solution to the puzzle of free will, that from a divine point of view there's no difference between past, present, and future? 402
  • Did Russell "demolish" Anselm's ontological argument? (See below)
  • COMMENT: “The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.” Carl Sagan
  • COMMENT: “Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”  Carl Sagan
  • If you were falsely imprisoned, tortured, and scheduled for execution, would you be able to achieve "consolation"? How?
  • Can the definition of a word prove anything about the world?
  • Is theoretical simplicity always better, even if the universe is complex?
  • Does the possibility of other worlds somehow diminish humanity? 
  • How does the definition of God as omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good make it harder to account for evil and suffering in the world? Would it be better to believe in a lesser god, or no god at all?
  • Can you explain the concept of Original Sin? Do you think you understand it?
  • Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?
  • Does the concept of a never-ending struggle between good and evil appeal to you? Does it make sense, in the light of whatever else you believe? Would there be anything "wrong" with a world in which good was already triumphant, happiness for all already secured, kindness and compassion unrivaled by hatred and cruelty?
  • Do you find the concept of Original Sin compelling, difficult, unfair, or dubious? In general, do we "inherit the sins of our fathers (and mothers)"? If yes, give examples and explain.
  • What kinds of present-day McCarthyism can you see? Is socialism the new communism? How are alternate political philosophies discouraged in America, and where would you place yourself on the spectrum?
  • Andersen notes that since WWII "mainline" Christian denominations were peaking (and, as evidence shows, are now declining). What do you think about this when you consider the visible political power of other evangelical denominations? Are you a part of a mainline traditon? If so, how would you explain this shift?

from Russell's History-

...Saint Augustine taught that Adam, before the Fall, had had free will, and could have abstained from sin. But as he and Eve ate the apple, corruption entered into them, and descended to all their posterity, none of whom can, of their own power, abstain from sin. Only God's grace enables men to be virtuous. Since we all inherit Adam's sin, we all deserve eternal damnation. All who die unbaptized, even infantswill go to hell and suffer unending torment. We have no reason to complain of this, since we are all wicked. (In the Confessions, the Saint enumerates the crimes of which he was guilty in the cradle.) But by God's free grace certain people, among those who have been baptized, are chosen to go to heaven; these are the elect. They do not go to heaven because they are good; we are all totally depraved, except in so far as God's grace, which is only bestowed on the elect, enables us to be otherwise. No reason can be given why some are saved and the rest damned; this is due to God's unmotived choice. Damnation proves God's justice; salvation His mercy. Both equally display His goodness. The arguments in favour of this ferocious doctrine--which was revived by Calvin, and has since then not been held by the Catholic Church--are to be found in the writings of Saint Paul, particularly the Epistle to the Romans. These are treated by Augustine as a lawyer treats the law: the interpretation is able, and the texts are made to yield their utmost meaning. One is persuaded, at the end, not that Saint Paul believed what Augustine deduces, but that, taking certain texts in isolation, they do imply just what he says they do. It may seem odd that the damnation of unbaptized infants should not have been thought shocking, but should have been attributed to a good God. The conviction of sin, however, so dominated him that he really believed new-born children to be limbs of Satan. A great deal of what is most ferocious in the medieval Church is traceable to his gloomy sense of universal guilt. There is only one intellectual difficulty that really troubles Saint Augustine. This is not that it seems a pity to have created Man, since the immense majority of the human race are predestined to eternal torment. What troubles him is that, if original sin is inherited from Adam, as Saint Paul teaches, the soul, as well as the body, must be propagated by the parents, for sin is of the soul, not the body. He sees difficulties in this doctrine, but says that, since Scripture is silent, it cannot be necessary to salvation to arrive at a just view on the matter. He therefore leaves it undecided. It is strange that the last men of intellectual eminence before the dark ages were concerned, not with saving civilization or expelling the barbarians or reforming the abuses of the administration, but with preaching the merit of virginity and the damnation of unbaptized infants. Seeing that these were the preoccupations that the Church handed on to the converted barbarians, it is no wonder that the succeeding age surpassed almost all other fully historical periods in cruelty and superstition...

...Boethius is a singular figure. Throughout the Middle Ages he was read and admired, regarded always as a devout Christian, and treated almost as if he had been one of the Fathers. Yet his Consolations of Philosophy, written in 524 while he was awaiting execution, is purely Platonic; it does not prove that he was not a Christian, but it does show that pagan philosophy had a much stronger hold on him then Christian theology. Some theological works, especially one on the Trinity, which are attributed to him, are by many authorities considered to be spurious; but it was probably owing to them that the Middle Ages were able to regard him as orthodox, and to imbibe from him much Platonism which would otherwise have been viewed with suspicion. The work is an alternation of verse and prose: Boethius, in his own person, speaks in prose, while Philosophy answers in verse. There is a certain resemblance to Dante, who was no doubt influenced by him in the Vita Nuova. The Consolations, which Gibbon rightly calls a "golden volume," begins by the statement that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are the true philosophers; Stoics, Epicureans, and the rest are usurpers, whom the profane multitude mistook for the friends of philosophy. Boethius says he obeyed the Pythagorean command to "follow God" (not the Christian command). Happiness, which is the same thing as blessedness, is the good, not pleasure. Friendship is a "most sacred thing." There is much morality that agrees closely with Stoic doctrine, and is in fact largely taken from Seneca. There is a summary, in verse, of the beginning of the Timaeus. This is followed by a great deal of purely Platonic metaphysics. Imperfection, we are told, is a lack, implying the existence of a perfect pattern. He adopts the privative theory of evil. He then passes on to a pantheism which should have shocked Christians, but for some reason did not. Blessedness and God, he says, are both the chiefest good, and are therefore identical. "Men are made happy by the obtaining of divinity." "They who obtain divinity become gods. Wherefore every one that is happy is a god, but by nature there is only one God, but there may be many by participation." "The sum, origin, and cause of all that is sought after is rightly thought to be goodness." "The substance of God consisteth in nothing else but in goodness." Can God do evil? No. Therefore evil is nothing, since God can do everything. Virtuous men are always powerful, and bad men always weak; for both desire the good, but only the virtuous get it. The wicked are more unfortunate if they escape punishment than if they suffer it. (Note that this could not be said of punishment in hell.) "In wise men there is no place for hatred." The tone of the book is more like that of Plato than that of Plotinus. There is no trace of the superstition or morbidness of the age, no obsession with sin, no excessive straining after the unattainable. There is perfect philosophic calm--so much that, if the book had been written in prosperity, it might almost have been called smug. Written when it was, in prison under sentence of death, it is as admirable as the last moments of the Platonic Socrates. One does not find a similar outlook until after Newton. I will quote in extenso one poem from the book, which, in its philosophy, is not unlike Pope's Essay on Man. If Thou wouldst see God's laws with purest mind, Thy sight on heaven must fixed be, Whose settled course the stars in peace doth bind. The sun's bright fire Stops not his sister's team, Nor doth the northern bear desire Within the ocean's wave to hide her beam. Though she behold The other stars there couching, Yet she incessantly is rolled About high heaven, the ocean never touching. The evening light With certain course doth show The coming of the shady night, And Lucifer before the day doth go. This mutual love Courses eternal makes, And from the starry spheres above All cause of war and dangerous discord takes. This sweet consent In equal bands doth tie The nature of each element So that the moist things yield unto the dry. The piercing cold With flames doth friendship heap The trembling fire the highest place doth hold, And the gross earth sinks down into the deep. The flowery year Breathes odours in the spring, The scorching summer corn doth bear The autumn fruit from laden trees doth bring. The falling rain Doth winter's moisture give. These rules thus nourish and maintain All creatures which we see on earth to live. And when they die, These bring them to their end, While their Creator sits on high, Whose hand the reins of the whole world doth bend. He as their king Rules them with lordly might. From Him they rise, flourish, and spring, He as their law and judge decides their right. Those things whose course Most swiftly glides away His might doth often backward force, And suddenly their wandering motion stay. Unless his strength Their violence should bound, And them which else would run at length, Should bring within the compass of a round, That firm decree Which now doth all adorn Would soon destroyed and broken be, Things being far from their beginning borne. This powerful love Is common unto all. -372- Which for desire of good do move Back to the springs from whence they first did fall. No worldly thing Can a continuance have Unless love back again it bring Unto the cause which first the essence gave. Boethius was, until the end, a friend of Theodoric. His father was consul, he was consul, and so were his two sons. His father-in-law Symmachus (probably grandson of the one who had a controversy with Ambrose about the statue of Victory) was an important man in the court of the Gothic king. Theodoric employed Boethius to reform the coinage, and to astonish less sophisticated barbarian kings with such devices as sun-dials and water-clocks. It may be that his freedom from superstition was not so exceptional in Roman aristocratic families as elsewhere; but its combination with great learning and zeal for the public good was unique in that age. During the two centuries before his time and the ten centuries after it, I cannot think of any European man of learning so free from superstition and fanaticism. Nor are his merits merely negative; his survey is lofty, disinterested, and sublime. He would have been remarkable in any age; in the age in which he lived, he is utterly amazing
...Saint Anselm was, like Lanfranc, an Italian, a monk at Bec, and archbishop of Canterbury ( 1093- 1109), in which capacity he followed the principles of Gregory VII and quarrelled with the king. He is chiefly known to fame as the inventor of the "ontological argument" for the existence of God. As he put it, the argument is as follows: We define "God" as the greatest possible object of thought. Now if an object of thought does not exist, another, exactly like it, which does exist, is greater. Therefore the greatest of all objects of thought must exist, since, otherwise, another, still greater, would be possible. Therefore God exists. This argument has never been accepted by theologians. It was adversely criticized at the time; then it was forgotten till the latter half of the thirteenth century. Thomas Aquinas rejected it, and among theologians his authority has prevailed ever since. But among philosophers it has had a better fate. Descartes revived it in a somewhat amended form; Leibniz thought that it could be made valid by the addition of a supplement to prove that God is possible. Kant considered that he had demolished it once for all. Nevertheless, in some sense, it underlies the system of Hegel and his followers, and reappears in Bradley's principle: "What may be and must be, is." Clearly an argument with such a distinguished history is to be treated with respect, whether valid or not. The real question is: Is there anything we can think of which, by the mere fact that we can think of it, is shown to exist outside our thought? Every philosopher would like to say yes, because a philosopher's job is to find out things about the world by thinking rather than observing. If yes is the right answer, there is a bridge from pure thought to things; if not, not. In this generalized form, Plato uses a kind of ontological argument to prove the objective reality of ideas. But no one before Anselm had -417- stated the argument in its naked logical purity. In gaining purity, it loses plausibility; but this also is to Anselm's credit. For the rest, Anselm's philosophy is mainly derived from Saint Augustine, from whom it acquires many Platonic elements. He believes in Platonic ideas, from which he derives another proof of the existence of God. By Neoplatonic arguments he professes to prove not only God, but the Trinity. (It will be remembered that Plotinus has a Trinity, though not one that a Christian can accept as orthodox.) Anselm considers reason subordinate to faith. "I believe in order to understand," he says; following Augustine, he holds that without belief it is impossible to understand. God, he says, is not just, but justice. It will be remembered that John the Scot says similar things. The common origin is in Plato. Saint Anselm, like his predecessors in Christian philosophy, is in the Platonic rather than the Aristotelian tradition. For this reason, he has not the distinctive characteristics of the philosophy which is called "scholastic," which culminated in Thomas Aquinas. This kind of philosophy may be reckoned as beginning with Roscelin, who was Anselm's contemporary, being seventeen years younger than Anselm. Roscelin marks a new beginning, and will be considered in the next chapter. When it is said that medieval philosophy, until the thirteenth century, was mainly Platonic, it must be remembered that Plato, except for a fragment of the Timaeus, was known only at second or third hand. John the Scot, for example, could not have held the views which he did hold but for Plato, but most of what is Platonic in him comes from the pseudo-Dionysius. The date of this author is uncertain, but it seems probable that he was a disciple of Proclus the Neoplatonist. It is probable, also, that John the Scot had never heard of Proclus or read a line of Plotinus. Apart from the pseudo-Dionysius, the other source of Platonism in the Middle Ages was Boethius. This Platonism was in many ways different from that which a modern student derives from Plato's own writings. It omitted almost everything that had no obvious bearing on religion, and in religious philosophy it enlarged and emphasized certain aspects at the expense of others. This change in the conception of Plato had already been effected by Plotinus. The knowledge of Aristotle was also fragmentary, but in an opposite direction: all that was known of him until the twelfth -418- century was Boethius translation of the Categories and De Emendatione. Thus Aristotle was conceived as a mere dialectician, and Plato as only a religious philosopher and the author of the theory of ideas. During the course of the later Middle Ages, both these partial conceptions were gradually emended, especially the conception of Aristotle. But the process, as regards Plato, was not completed until the Renaissance...








4. Should religious traditions attempt to combine with, or assimilate themselves to, philosophical traditions? What do religion and philosophy generally have in common, and in what ways are they different?

5. Does the free will defense work, even to the extent of explaining "moral" evil? Is there in fact a logical contradiction between the concept of free will and an omniscient deity? Why or why not?


6. Would we be better off without a belief in free will? 






Strange Gods

Excerpt:
1
AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO (354–430)

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
—Paul, Colossians 2:8

AUGUSTINE, a teenager studying in Carthage in the 370s, begins to ponder what he will one day consider the inevitable shortcomings of human philosophy ungrounded in the word of God. This process begins, as Augustine will later recount in his Confessions, when he reads Cicero’sHortensius, written around 45 b.c.e. The young scholar, unacquainted with either Jewish or Christian Scripture, takes away the (surely unintended) lesson from the pagan Cicero that only faith—a faith that places the supernatural above the natural—can satisfy the longing for wisdom.

“But, O Light of my heart,” Augustine wrote to his god in Confessions (c. 397), “you know that at that time, although Paul’s words were not known to me, the only thing that pleased me in Cicero’s book was his advice not simply to admire one or another of the schools of philosophy, but to love wisdom itself, whatever it might be. . . . These were the words which excited me and set me burning with fire, and the only check to this blaze of enthusiasm was that they made no mention of the name of Christ.”

The only check? To me, this passage from Confessions has always sounded like the many rewritings of personal history intended to conform the past to the author’s current beliefs and status in life—which in Augustine’s case meant being an influential bishop of an ascendant church that would tolerate no dissent grounded in other religious or secular philosophies. By the time he writes Confessions, Augustine seems a trifle embarrassed about having been so impressed, as a young man, by a pagan writer. So he finds a way to absolve himself of the sin of attraction to small-“c” catholic, often secular intellectual interests by limiting Cicero to his assigned role as one step in a fourth-century boy’s journey toward capital-“C” Catholicism. It is the adult Augustine who must reconcile his enthusiasm for Cicero with the absence of the name of Christ; there is no reason why this should have bothered the pagan adolescent Augustine at all. Nevertheless, no passage in the writings of the fathers of the church, or in any personal accounts of the intellectual and emotional process of conversion, explains more lucidly (albeit indirectly) why the triumph of Christianity inevitably begins with that other seeker on the road to Damascus. It is Paul, after all, not Jesus or the authors of the Gospels, who merits a mention in Augustine’s explanation of how his journey toward the one true faith was set in motion by a pagan.

It is impossible to consider Augustine, the second most important convert in the theological firmament of the early Christian era, without giving Paul his due. But let us leave Saul—he was still Saul then—as he awakes from a blow on his head to hear a voice from the heavens calling him to rebirth in Christ. Saul did not have any established new religion to convert to, but Augustine was converting to a faith with financial and political influence, as well as a spiritual message for the inhabitants of a decaying empire. Augustine’s journey from paganism to Christianity was a philosophical and spiritual struggle lasting many years, but it also exemplified the many worldly, secular influences on conversion in his and every subsequent era. These include mixed marriages; political instability that creates the perception and the reality of personal insecurity; and economic conditions that provide a space for new kinds of fortunes and the possibility of financial support for new religious institutions.

Augustine told us all about his struggle, within its social context, in Confessions—which turned out to be a best-seller for the ages. This was a new sort of book, even if it was a highly selective recounting of experience (like all memoirs) rather than a “tell-all” autobiography in the modern sense. Its enduring appeal, after a long break during the Middle Ages, lies not in its literary polish, intellectuality, or prayerfulness—though the memoir is infused with these qualities—but in its preoccupation with the individual’s relationship to and responsibility for sin and evil. As much as Augustine’s explorations constitute an individual journey—and have been received as such by generations of readers—the journey unfolds in an upwardly mobile, religiously divided family that was representative of many other people finding and shaping new ways to make a living; new forms of secular education; and new institutions of worship in a crumbling Roman civilization.

After a lengthy quest venturing into regions as wild as those of any modern religious cults, Augustine told the story of his spiritual odyssey when he was in his forties. His subsequent works, including The City of God, are among the theological pillars of Christianity, butConfes­sions is the only one of his books read widely by anyone but theologically minded intellectuals (or intellectual theologians). In the fourth and early fifth centuries, Christian intellectuals with both a pagan and a religious education, like the friends and mentors Augustine discusses in the book, provided the first audience for Confessions. That audience would probably not have existed a century earlier, because literacy—a secular prerequisite for a serious education in both paganism and Christianity—had expanded among members of the empire’s bourgeois class by the time Augustine was born. The Christian intellectuals who became Augustine’s first audience may have been more interested than modern readers in the theological framework of the autobiography (though they, too, must have been curious about the distinguished bishop’s sex life). ButConfessions has also been read avidly, since the Renaissance, by successive generations of humanist scholars (religious and secular); Enlightenment skeptics; nineteenth-century Romantics; psychotherapists; and legions of the prurient, whether religious believers or nonbelievers. Everyone, it seems, loves the tale of a great sinner turned into a great saint.

In my view, Augustine was neither a world-class sinner nor a saint, but his drama of sin and repentance remains a real page-turner. Here & Now
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An old post-

Augustine & string theory

Is anyone, from God on down, “pulling our strings”? We’d not be free if they were, would we? If you say we would, what do you mean by “free”? Jesus and Mo have puzzled this one, behind the wheel with with Moses and with "Free Willy." But as usual, the Atheist Barmaid is unpersuaded.

(As I always must say, when referencing this strip: that’s not Jesus of Nazareth, nor is it the Prophet Mohammed, or the sea-parter Moses; and neither I nor Salman Rushdie, the Dutch cartoonists, the anonymous Author, or anyone else commenting on religion in fictional media are blasphemers. We're all just observers exercising our "god-given" right of free speech, which of course extends no further than the end of a fist and the tip of a nose. We'll be celebrating precisely that, and academic freedom, when we line up to take turns reading the Constitution this morning.

No, they’re just a trio of cartoonish guys who often engage in banter relevant to our purposes in CoPhi. It’s just harmless provocation, and fun. But if it makes us think, it’s useful.)

Augustine proposed a division between the “city of god” and the “earthly city” of humanity, thus excluding many of us from his version of the cosmos. “These two cities of the world, which are doomed to coexist intertwined until the Final Judgment, divide the world’s inhabitants.” SEP

And of course he believed in hell, raising the stakes for heaven and the judicious free will he thought necessary to get there even higher. If there's no such thing as free will, though, how can you do "whatever the hell you want"? But, imagine there's no heaven or hell. What then? Some of us think that's when free will becomes most useful to members of a growing, responsible species.

Someone posted the complaint on our class message board that it's not clear what "evil" means, in the context of our Little History discussion of Augustine. But I think this is clear enough: "there is a great deal of suffering in the world," some of it proximally caused by crazy, immoral/amoral, armed and dangerous humans behaving badly, much more of it caused by earthquakes, disease, and other "natural" causes. All of it, on the theistic hypothesis, is part and parcel of divinely-ordered nature.

Whether or not some suffering is ultimately beneficial, character-building, etc., and from whatever causes, "evil" means the suffering that seems gratuitously destructive of innocent lives. Some of us "can't blink the evil out of sight," in William James's words, and thus can't go in for theistic (or other) schemes of "vicarious salvation." We think it's the responsibility of humans to use their free will (or whatever you prefer to call ameliorative volitional action) to reduce the world's evil and suffering. Take a sad song and make it better.

Note the Manichaean strain in Augustine, and the idea that "evil comes from the body." That's straight out of Plato. The world of Form and the world of perfect heavenly salvation thus seem to converge. If you don't think "body" is inherently evil, if in fact you think material existence is pretty cool (especially considering the alternative), this view is probably not for you. Nor if you can't make sense of Original Sin, that most "difficult" contrivance of the theology shop.

"Augustine had felt the hidden corrosive effect of Adam's Fall, like the worm in the apple, firsthand," reminds Arthur Herman. His prayer for personal virtue "but not yet" sounds funny but was a cry of desperation and fear.
Like Aristotle, Augustine believed that the quality of life we lead depends on the choices we make. The tragedy is that left to our own devices - and contrary to Aristotle - most of those choices will be wrong. There can be no true morality without faith and no faith without the presence of God. The Cave and the Light

Bertrand Russell, we know, was not a Christian. But he was a bit of a fan of Augustine the philosopher (as distinct from the theologian), on problems like time.

As for Augustine the theologian and Saint-in-training, Russell's pen drips disdain.
It is strange that the last men of intellectual eminence before the dark ages were concerned, not with saving civilization or expelling the barbarians or reforming the abuses of the administration, but with preaching the merit of virginity and the damnation of unbaptized infants.
Funny, how the preachers of the merit of virginity so often come late - after exhausting their stores of wild oats - to their chaste piety. Not exactly paragons of virtue or character, these Johnnys Come Lately. On the other hand, it's possible to profess a faith you don't understand much too soon. My own early Sunday School advisers pressured and frightened me into "going forward" at age 6, lest I "die before I wake" one night and join the legions of the damned.

That's an allusive segue to today's additional discussion of Aristotelian virtue ethics, in its turn connected with the contradictions inherent in the quest to bend invariably towards Commandments. "Love your neighbor": must that mean, let your neighbor suffer a debilitating terminal illness you could pull the plug on? Or is the "Christian" course, sometimes, to put an end to it?

We also read today of Hume's Law, Moore's Naturalistic Fallacy, the old fact/value debate. Sam Harris is one of the most recent controversialists to weigh in on the issue, arguing that "good" means supportive of human well-being and flourishing, which are in turn based on solid facts. "The answer to the question, 'What should I believe, and why should I believe it?' is generally a scientific one..." Brain Science and Human Values

Also: ethical relativism, meta-ethics, and more. And maybe we'll have time to squeeze in consideration of the perennial good-versus-evil trope. Would there be anything "wrong" with a world in which good was already triumphant, happiness for all already secured, kindness and compassion unrivaled by hatred and cruelty? I think it might be just fine. Worth a try, anyway. Where can I vote for that?







"Boethius in his cell imagined his visitor: Philosophy personified as a tall woman wearing a dress with the letters Pi to Theta on it. She berates him for deserting her and the stoicism she preached. Boethius’s own book was a response to her challenge..." (from Nigel's essay "Philosophy Should Be Conversation")

12 comments:

  1. Section 009 HWT


    1. While typically, the western sense of time is linear, many non-western cultures sense time as cyclical. In this sense, the past is the future, the future is the past, and the beginning is the end. Cyclical time is time that doesn't have a definitive start or end, because they are and have always been the same.

    2. Dreamtime is explained to be time that is essentially locked in place, time doesn't move in the same ways as western and non-western cultures have perceived. Dreamtime is "a place where past, present, and future are all present." As opposed to western linear time, there is death but rather the death is energy returning to the source and and reidentifying.

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  2. Section 009

    HWT
    5.) Karma originally concerned getting the mechanics of rituals right so that they worked.

    LH
    2.) Boethius does not mention that he was an early Christian in The Consolation of Philosophy
    4.) Anselm said that because we have an idea of what God is, that is the evidence that God exists
    5.) Gaunilo used the "most perfect island" example to criticize Anselm's reasoning.

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  3. Section 6

    LH

    1. As a Manichaean Augustine explained evil as the powers of darkness overpowering an individuals forces of light. An internal power struggle. As a christian he explained evil as an individuals free will to choose. It wasn’t such a problem in the beginning because he didn’t believe that God was supremely powerful.
    2. Boethius doesn’t mention that he was an early christian in the consolation of philosophy.
    3. Plato
    4. Anselm argued that “the fact that we have an idea of God proves that God actually exists.”
    5. A thought experiment involving imagining a perfect island. He said that we can’t imagine a perfect island into existence, so we wouldn’t be able to imagine a perfect God into existence either.
    6. The first cause argument. Saying that everything that exists had a cause that led to its existence.

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  4. SECTION 6
    LH
    1. Augustine first solved the problem of evil by asking for God to stop his want for sin but later thought that the world's evil was caused by free will. This was not originally a problem for him as he wanted to still enjoy his worldly pleasures.

    2. Boethius does not mention his Christian beliefs in The Consolation of Philosophy.

    3. Boethius' "recollection of ideas" can be traced back to Plato.

    4. Anselm says we have

    5. Gaunilo criticized Anselm's reasoning using the example of the “perfect island”.

    6. Aquinas' 2nd Way was the idea of the uncaused cause.

    FL
    1. Enlightenment values advanced American technological innovations in the 19th century.

    2. The fantasy of an angelic feature giving a speech to the signers of the declaration of independence was widely believed.

    3. America was religiously non-binary in the sense that there were more than two churches one had the option to follow.

    4. Thomas Jefferson characterized America's religious differences in the north and the south as being; South: without attachment or pretensions to any religion but that of the heart, and North: superstitious and hypocritical in their religion.

    5. In Cane Ridge, KY in 1801, an Evangelical holy fair was hosted, and was described by a Vanderbilt historian as ‘the Woodstock for American Christianity’.

    6. Charles Finney was a lawyer from New York turned minister who understand that American Christianity should be ‘show business’.

    7. Tocqueville said the difference about religion in America, compared to Europe was that Americans were leaning towards excited and fantastical beliefs, while Europeans were more calm and reasonable.

    8. William Miller was a born-again Baptist preacher who helped revive fears of the end of days.

    9. Joseph Smith was the founder of Mormonism and the most interesting thing about him was that people believed him.

    HWT

    1. The sense of time as being ‘cyclical’ has underpinned most of our history.

    2. Dreamtime is the past present and future together. This concept is alien to Western thought as it escapes the sense of objectivity inherent in it.

    3. The universalism of western universities implies that ‘place’ is unimportant?

    4. John Gray said the idea of progress in history is a myth created by the need for meaning.

    5. Karma originally concerned with getting the mechanics of rituals right and had no moral connotation.

    6. For many young Indians, western ideas about self-fulfillment have displaced karma.

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  5. LH
    1. Augustine solved the problem with evil by becoming a Manichaean. Manichaeans believed that “God wasn’t supremely powerful” and it was mainly a battle between good and evil. It wasn’t a problem for him originally because Manichaeans did not accept the idea of God being powerful enough to control “every aspect of reality.” “If God didn’t have power over everything, then he wasn’t responsible for the existence of evil, nor could anyone blame God for failing to prevent evil.” Meaning, if he doesn’t have the power to create it then he would not be responsible for the existence of evil.

    2. Boethius does not mention that he was an early Christian.

    3. Boethius’ “recollection of ideas” are traced back to Plato.

    4. Anselm says that we all have an idea of God and believes that it is “logically impossible” to have an idea of God without God actually existing.

    5. Gaunilo uses an example of a “perfect island” to criticize Anselm's reasoning.

    6. Aquinas’ second way was the First Cause Argument. Aquinas wanted to “use reason to provide proof for God’s existence.

    FL
    1. Education became free, literacy rates increased and technology was advancing.

    2. “A tall slender man dressed in a dark robe” appears with the Founders of Philadelphia, delivers a speech and signs the Declaration then disappearing is a fantasy accepted by Americans as a fact across the religious spectrum.

    3. Different sets of beliefs and practices were equal to one another in America.

    4. Jefferson characterized the North as “superstitious and hypocritical in their religion” while the south is “without attachment or pretensions to any religion but that of the heart.”

    5. An event was hosted at a church where dozens of ministers were booked to preach. Paul Conkin, a Vanderbilt historian, described Cane Ridge as being the “Woodstock for American Christianity.”

    6. Charles Finney was a lawyer and understood that “American Christianity should be a kind of show business.”

    7. Religion in America was more fantastical while Europe is calm and reasonable.

    8. William Miller was a Baptist preacher and revived the belief that American Christians may experience the final fantasy.

    9. Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon. Smith would report revelations from God and would publish it as an independent scripture and use it to “correct the bible.” The most interesting thing about Smith was that “people believed him.”

    HWT
    1. A cynical sense of time has underpinned much of human history.

    2. “Dreamtime” is the past, present and future in one place. It is alien to the modern west because “a pursuit of objectivity systematically downplays the particular, the specifically located.”

    3. The universalism of western universities implies that place is unimportant.

    4. John Gray says, “the idea of progress in history is a myth created by the need for meaning.”

    5. Karma originally concerned with “getting the mechanics of rituals right so that they worked” and it lacked moral connotations.

    6. The idea of the possibility of “fulfilling individual potential” has displaced karma.

    Section 6.

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  6. Section 6

    LH
    1. Augustine became a Manichaean. The Manichaeans believed that God wasn’t supremely powerful. It wasn't a problem for Augustine, because The problem of evil wasn’t such a problem for them because the Manichaeans didn’t accept the idea that God was so powerful that he controlled every aspect of reality.

    2.Boethius doesn’t mention that he was an early christian in the consolation of philosophy.

    3. Plato

    4. Anselm because we have an idea of what God is, that is the evidence that God exists

    5. Gaunilo criticized Anselm's reasoning using the, “most perfect island” as an example.

    6. The First Cause Argument takes as its starting point the existence of the cosmos – everything that there is.

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  7. Section 6

    2. What does Boethius not mention about himself in The Consolation of Philosophy?

    Boethius does not mention that he was an early Christian in The Consolation of Philosophy.

    3. Boethius' "recollection of ideas" can be traced back to what philosopher?

    Boethius’s “recollection of ideas” is associated with Plato. Due to Plato’s philosophy of “all learning is really a kind of recollection of ideas we already have”.

    4. What uniquely self-validating idea did Anselm say we have?

    The fact that we have an idea of God proves that God actually exists. He also stated that God that only existed in our minds but not in reality wouldn’t be the greatest being conceivable.

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  8. Section #9

    LH

    1. In his younger days, Augustine was a Manichaean and believed that God was not powerful enough that he controlled everything; instead it was a constant fight between good and evil, so God was not to blame. When he converted to Christianity he believed in the power of free will to explain, "how a God could allow suffering."
    2. Boethius was an early Christian.
    3. Boethius's "recollection of ideas" can be traced back to Plato.
    4. Anselm said we believe there is a God, "simply from the fact we have an idea of God."
    5. Gaunilo used the "perfect island" example to criticize Anselm's argument.
    6. Aquinas's second way was the First Cause Argument: to "use reason to provide proof for God's existence."

    FL

    1. Education became free, literacy rates climbed, and modern technology emerged.
    2. In 1776, a "quasi-angel-'a tall slender man...dressed in a dark robe" appeared in front of the founders to deliver a message: "God has given America to be free!" This makes the founders stop arguing and sign the declaration.
    3. In Europe there was one binary choice in which everyone had to subscribe. In America they welcomed all beliefs and practices "old or new, more or less reasonable or plainly nuts."
    4. Thomas Jefferson characterized the north as "superstitious and hypocritical in their religion;" and the south as "without attachment or pretensions to any religion but that of the heart."
    5. The Cane Ridge, KY event of 1801 was "one-in-a-lifetime human carnival," religious event with several speakers and twenty thousand people. Vanderbilt historian Paul Conkin described it as "the Woodstock for American Christianity, an anarchic, unprecedent August moment of mass spectacle that ... symbolized a new way of thinking and acting."
    6. Finney was a small-town lawyer and understood American Christianity to be "a kind of show business."
    7. Tocqueville said the America differed from Europe in religion because, "You meet with men, full of a fanatical and almost wild enthusiasm, which hardly exists in Europe."
    8. Miller was a "born-again Baptist preacher," who revived the belief that Christians would experience the final fantasy.
    9. Joseph Smith founded and wrote the Book of Mormon. The most interesting thing about him is that "people believed him."

    HWT

    1. The sense of time as having a linear past, present, and future has been underpinned by the idea of time as cyclical.
    2. "Dreamtime" is when past, present, and future are all present in one place. It is alien to the west, where "a pursuit of objectivity systematically downplays the particular, the specifically located."
    4. John Gray says, "the idea of progress in history is a myth created by the need for meaning."
    5. The original concern of Karma was getting "the mechanic of rituals right so that they worked.' It lacked the moral connotations that are commonly associated with it: "people are repaid for their actions: good with good, evil with evil."
    6. Many young Indians have displaced karma for the western ideas of "fulfilling individual potential."

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  9. Section 9
    LH:
    1. He asked God to take away his desire for sexual pleasure, but not yet because he wanted to indulge himself in sin until he was fully satisfied with his lifestyle and wanted to change.
    2. He does not mention that he is a Christian. There could be several reasons for this. My guess would be that he wants every people to be able to read this and many people will refuse to read it if he mentions Christianity and his faith.
    3. It can be traced back to Plato
    4. In a roundabout way, he is saying that if we have an idea of "God" if we can thing of the greatest attributes of God, then he must exist because an "imagined God, cannot be greater than an existing God"
    5. "Gaunilo pointed out that if anybody used this argument to
    try and persuade you that this most perfect island actually
    existed, you’d probably think it was some kind of joke. You can’t
    conjure a perfect island into real existence in the world just by
    imagining what it would be like."

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  10. Section #9

    1. In his younger days, Augustine was a Manichaean. Manicheans believed that God was not all-powerful, solving the problem of evil by stating that evil is what God is not powerful enough to stop. Later, he believed that free will allowed for evil.
    2. Boethius was an early Christian.
    5. Guanilo used a thought experiment of a perfect island to say that since its not true that an island can only be perfect if it is real, the same is not true for a being that which nothing greater can be conceived.
    6. Aquinas's second way is the argument of the First Cause. It argues that everything has a cause, but there can be an infinite amount of causes backwards, so their must be an uncaused cause.


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  11. Section 6

    LH
    1. The Manichaean, which believed that God is not supremely powerful.
    2. That he was an early Christian. Didn’t talk about his religion.’
    3. Plato
    4. That we have the idea of God, so God exists
    5. A perfect island. Just because you have an idea that doesn’t mean it exists.
    6. The First Cause Argument. Use reason to provide proof of God’s existence

    FL
    1. Education become prominent, literacy was growing, newspapers and libraries were spreading
    2. An intervention by a mysterious hooded angelical creature
    3. You can fashion your own beliefs in the U.S. vs in Europe they had state sanctioned beliefs.
    4. North: pious superstition
    South: w/o religion, no organization
    5. Cane Ridge was the Woodstock of its day. It was an Evangelical religious fair
    6. That Christianity should be a showbiz
    7. America was more fantastical than Europe who were calmer and more reasonable
    8. Baptist-preacher. The end is near.
    9. Wrote the Book of Mormon. Anybody believed him.

    HWT
    1. Cyclical past, present, and future
    2. An Australian aboriginal belief that’s neither cyclical nor linear. Past, present, and future are connected to a place.
    3. Place is so unimportant to western communities
    4. Progress is a myth
    5. Originally about getting rituals right and lacked morals
    6. Free will and aspiration, no longer about karma

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  12. FL
    1. Education became free and compulsory in the United States. Newspapers and books multiplied, public libraries appeared, then public colleges and universities.

    2. The Legends of the American Revolution, “a tall slender man.. Dressed in a dark robe, mysteriously appears the Founders in Philadelphia and delivers a speech that makes them finally stop arguing and sign the Declaration. Americans from across the religious spectrum chose to regard that fantasy as historical fact and they still do today.”

    3. No official state religion. People started their own churches.

    4. Thomas Jefferson characterized the North as “superstitious and hypocritical in their religion” and the South is “without attachment or pretensions to any religion but that of the heart.”

    5. In Cane Ridge, KY in 1801, an Evangelical holy fair was hosted, and Vanderbilt historian described it as, “Woodstock for American Christianity.”

    HWT
    1. A cynical sense of time has underpinned much of human history.

    2. Dreamtime is the ‘past, present, future in one place.’ It’s alien to the modern west, where “a pursuit of objectivity systematically downplays the particular, the specifically located.”


    3. The universalism of western universities implies that Place is unimportant.

    4. John says, “the idea of progress in history is a myth created by the need for meaning.”

    5. The original concern with, “getting the mechanics of rituals right so that they worked,” and lacked moral connotations.

    6. Western ideas about the possibility of “fulfilling individual potential” displaced karma.

    Section 6

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