Greetings, MALA students: This is the site I use for my Intro to Philosophy (I call it "CoPhilosophy") classes. Feel free to ignore the rest of the site, beyond this post. But also feel free to check it out and discuss anything here that piques your interest. jpo
==- Is Elon Musk a good citizen? Dolly Parton?
- Have you read Hannah Arendt?
- What are "parents' rights" really about?
- Where does American democracy go from here?
- Do we need more women's perspectives in government?
- Richard Rorty's Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism 1... 2... 3... 4... 5... APA/slides
Posted March 12:
John Dewey
Hope you've all had a pleasant Spring Break, as we wait for the snow to melt...
My block (Mar 17, 24] is titled "Pragmatism and the Reconstruction of American Democracy." We'll read selections from John Dewey (Reconstruction in Philosophy, Democracy and Education) and Richard Rorty (Achieving Our Country, Philosophy and Social Hope, Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature, Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism). I'll post the readings on my CoPhilosophy blogsite, along with questions for discussion. There, in the comments' space (alongside legacy comments from the September class) is where you'll post your short essays responding to at least two discussion questions each week, as well as any other pertinent thoughts you'd care to share.
You can respond to my discussion questions or come up with your own. Read and comment on anything by or about John Dewey you'd like, this week. I just want you to get a sense of his commitment to democracy as a way of life in which free citizens acknowledge their mutual dependency and shared interest in an ever-expanding "heritage of values"...
“The things in civilization we most prize are not of ourselves. They exist by grace of the doings and sufferings of the continuous human community in which we are a link. Ours is the responsibility of conserving, transmitting, rectifying and expanding the heritage of values we have received, that those who come after us may receive it more solid and secure, more widely accessible and more generously shared than we have received it.” John Dewey, A Common Faith
(NOTE: the CoPhilosophy site is also used by my Intro to Philosophy students. Most of the site content is directed at them... but of course you're free to look at, and comment on, any of it you wish.)
See you soon!
Phil.Oliver@mtsu.edu
Happy convergence of themes in our #MTSU MALA fall interdisciplinary course ("Educating a good citizen") with SAAP's next on-ground conference ( “Citizenship, Education, & Democracy"). Two birds, one stone: "Pragmatism and the reconstruction of American democracy"
— Phil Oliver (@OSOPHER) May 12, 2021
MALA 6010, Fall 2021
Class | 6:00 pm - 9:00 pm | R | BUSINESS AND AEROSPACE BLDG S309 | Aug 23, 2021 - Dec 09, 2021 | Seminar | Janet Kay McCormick (P) |
My block (Sep2, 9] will be titled "Pragmatism and the reconstruction of American democracy," and we'll read selections from (among others) John Dewey's Democracy and Education and Richard Rorty's Achieving Our Country]
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block title-- Pragmatism and the reconstruction of American democracy
block description--A democracy is in serious jeopardy when a significant percentage of its citizenry is unwilling to accept the certified outcome of a presidential election. January 6, 2021 and its aftermath have indicated profound trouble for American democracy in our time. American philosophers like John Dewey and Richard Rorty say"achieving our country" and its democratic aspirations will require more open-minded "conversation" and perpetual "reconstruction." In this block we'll look at how democratic reconstruction may contribute an indispensable element of good citizenry.
course grade -- 75pts attendance/participation (including posted responses to discussion questions) week one, 75 pts attendance/participation week two
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Introductions... (this is how my Intro to Philosophy students and I introduced ourselves, perhaps you'd like to follow the same script with a verbal introduction Thursday and, if you wish, a written intro posted in the comments space: Who are you? Why are you here? What is your present understanding of Philosophy as either an academic discipline or an approach to life? Do you have a favorite philosopher (for our purposes maybe we should specify: philosopher of democracy/citizenship)? I'll explain what "CoPhilosophy" means to me, and how that shapes my classroom expectations, approach, etc.)
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Sep 2/Mar 17 - John Dewey, Reconstruction in Philosophy, Democracy and Education (* below)... just read the opening pages of each, and browse for a sense of what Dewey is about. Also, if you have a kindle or the kindle app, you might take a look at the samples from John Dewey and American Democracy by Robert Westbrook (or just look at the Google Books sample). Respond each week to at least two discussion questions, either those below or questions of your own or a classmate's, about Dewey and what his work implies about the meaning of good citizenship. You can post your short essays before or after class.
Discussion questions:
- In view of this quote from Dewey's The School and Society (1899), do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting... and for those who are not parents themselves, as well as for parents, a proper parental regard for all children? What would this entail, besides being willing to pay taxes that support public education and other child-supportive policies? --"What the best and wisest parent wants for his own child, that must the community want for all of its children. Any other ideal for our schools is narrow and unlovely; acted upon, it destroys our democracy." The School and Society (1899)
- Does Dewey's statement (at the end of A Common Faith AND on his gravestone) about our "responsibility of conserving, transmitting, rectifyng, and expanding the heritage of values we have received" express a conception of good citizenship with which you agree? Does it imply a responsibility to future generations that you share? Why or why not?
“The things in civilization we most prize are not of ourselves. They exist by grace of the doings and sufferings of the continuous human community in which we are a link. Ours is the responsibility of conserving, transmitting, rectifying and expanding the heritage of values we have received, that those who come after us may receive it more solid and secure, more widely accessible and more generously shared than we have received it.”
- Democracy is "a belief in the ability of human experience to generate the aims and methods by which further experience shall grow in ordered richness." -Creative Democracy: The Task Before Us (1939). True? Believable? Aspirational?
- Are public schools still (were they ever, can they still be) an "assimilative force" for unity in American life, bringing people of different races, religions, and customs together?
- Every school, as he wrote in The School and Society, must become "an embryonic community life...we shall (then) have the deepest and best guarantee of a larger society which is worthy, lovely and harmonious." Is this utopian? Can you foresee a time when our legislators view public education in this light, and fund it accordingly?
- Dewey's favorite words: reconstruction, renewal, growth, intelligence... What do these concepts mean to you, in the context of American democracy and its future prospects?
- Does "experiential learning" or "learning by doing" work, in school and in life?
- Why do you think "progressive education" is so often mocked and caricatured by critics?
- Has your own education been "interdisciplinary" at any level? (How's the MALA program doing, on that score?) Is the present structure of higher education in this country conducive to interdisciplinary understanding?
- COMMENT: "...the institutional structure and the educational philosophy of higher education have remained the same for one hundred years, while faculties and student bodies have radically changed and technology has drastically transformed the way people produce and disseminate knowledge. At a time when competition to get into and succeed in college has never been more intense, universities are providing a less-useful education." -The Marketplace of Ideas: Reform and Resistance in the American University by Louis Menand
- “The biggest undergraduate major by far in the United States is business. Twenty-two percent of all bachelor’s degrees are awarded in that field. Ten percent of all bachelor’s degrees are awarded in education.” -Louis Menand. What would Dewey say about that? What do you say?
- Do you agree (in the spirit of Dewey's statement that education is "life itself") that good citizens are lifelong learners?
Dewey's concept of education put a premium on meaningful activity in learning and participation in classroom democracy. Unlike earlier models of teaching, which relied on authoritarianism and rote learning, progressive education asserted that students must be invested in what they were learning. Dewey argued that curriculum should be relevant to students' lives. He saw learning by doing and development of practical life skills as crucial to children's education. Some critics assumed that, under Dewey's system, students would fail to acquire basic academic skills and knowledge. Others believed that classroom order and the teacher's authority would disappear.To Dewey, the central ethical imperative in education was democracy. Every school, as he wrote in The School and Society, must become "an embryonic community life, active with types of occupations that reflect the life of the larger society and permeated throughout with the spirit of art, history and science. When the school introduces and trains each child of society into membership within such a little community, saturating him with the spirit of service, and providing him with instruments of effective self-direction, we shall have the deepest and best guarantee of a larger society which is worthy, lovely and harmonious."pbs
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...In 1899, Dewey published the pamphlet that made him famous, The School and Society, and promulgated many key precepts of later education reforms. Dewey insisted that the old model of schooling—students sitting in rows, memorizing and reciting—was antiquated. Students should be active, not passive. They required compelling and relevant projects, not lectures. Students should become problem solvers. Interest, not fear, should be used to motivate them. They should cooperate, not compete... neh
― Reconstruction in Philosophy
- *“The intermingling in the school of youth of different races, differing religions, and unlike customs creates for all a new and broader environment. Common subject matter accustoms all to a unity of outlook upon a broader horizon than is visible to the members of any group while it is isolated. The assimilative force of the American public school is eloquent testimony to the efficacy of the common and balanced appeal.”
- “An intelligent home differs from an unintelligent one chiefly in that the habits of life and intercourse which prevail are chosen, or at least colored, by the thought of their bearing upon the development of children.”
- “The most notable distinction between living and inanimate beings is that the former maintain themselves by renewal.”
- “If a plague carried off the members of a society all at once, it is obvious that the group would be permanently done for. Yet the death of each of its constituent members is as certain as if an epidemic took them all at once. But the graded difference in age, the fact that some are born as some die, makes possible through transmission of ideas and practices the constant reweaving of the social fabric. Yet this renewal is not automatic. Unless pains are taken to see that genuine and thorough transmission takes place, the most civilized group will relapse into barbarism and then into savagery.”
- “Except in dealing with commonplaces and catch phrases one has to assimilate, imaginatively, something of another's experience in order to tell him intelligently of one's own experience.”
- “Knowledge is humanistic in quality not because it is about human products in the past, but because of what it does in liberating human intelligence and human sympathy. Any subject matter which accomplishes this result is humane, and any subject matter which does not accomplish it is not even educational.”
- “Nothing is more tragic than failure to discover one’s true business in life, or to find that one has drifted or been forced by circumstance into an uncongenial calling.”
- “Now in many cases—too many cases—the activity of the immature human being is simply played upon to secure habits which are useful. He is trained like an animal rather than educated like a human being.”
Democracy Through Education
John Dewey (1859–1952) was one of American pragmatism’s early founders, along with Charles Sanders Peirce and William James, and arguably the most prominent American intellectual for the first half of the twentieth century. Dewey’s educational theories and experiments had a global reach, his psychological theories had a sizable influence in that growing science, and his writings about democratic theory and practice deeply influenced debates in academic and practical quarters for decades. In addition, Dewey developed extensive and often systematic views in ethics, epistemology, logic, metaphysics, aesthetics, and philosophy of religion...
Dewey’s efforts to connect child, school, and society were motivated by more than just a desire for better pedagogical methods. Because character, rights, and duties are informed by and contribute to the social realm, schools were critical sites to learn and experiment with democracy. Democratic life consists not only in civic and economic conduct, but more crucially in habits of problem solving, compassionate imagination, creative expression, and civic self-governance. The full range of roles a child might assume in life is vast; once this is appreciated, it is incumbent upon society to make education its highest political and economic priority. During WWII, Dewey wrote,
There will be almost a revolution in school education when study and learning are treated not as acquisition of what others know but as development of capital to be invested in eager alertness in observing and judging the conditions under which one lives. Yet until this happens, we shall be ill-prepared to deal with a world whose outstanding trait is change. (“Between Two Worlds”, 1944, LW17: 463)
Democracy, on Dewey’s view, was much more comprehensive than a form of government.
“Democracy”, Dewey wrote, “is not an alternative to other principles of associated life [but] the idea of community life itself” (PP, LW2: 328). Individuals exist in communities; as their lives change, needs and conflicts emerge that require intelligent management; we must make sense out of new experiences.
Education "is that reconstruction or reorganization of experience which adds to the meaning of experience, and which increases ability to direct the course of subsequent experience." (DE, MW9: 82)
In other words, the engine of America’s political identify was creative experimentation; in order to fulfill their eventual roles as fully participating citizens, students needed education in the habits (imaginative, empirical) which made the experimental sciences so successful. Dewey called such attitudes and habits “intelligence”.[34]
Informing all the spheres just discussed—science, education, and democratic life—is Dewey’s naturalism which places hope not in what is immutable or ultimate (God, Nature, Reason, Ends) but in the human capacity to learn from life. In “Creative Democracy—The Task Before Us” (1939b) Dewey wrote,
Democracy is the faith that the process of experience is more important than any special result attained, so that special results achieved are of ultimate value only as they are used to enrich and order the ongoing process. Since the process of experience is capable of being educative, faith in democracy is all one with faith in experience and education. All ends and values that are cut off from the ongoing process become arrests, fixations. They strive to fixate what has been gained instead of using it to open the road and point the way to new and better experiences. (“Creative Democracy”, LW14: 229)
The success or failure of democracy rests on education. Education is most determinative of whether citizens develop the habits needed to investigate problematic beliefs and situations, to communicate openly, throughout. While every culture aims to convey values and beliefs to the coming generation, it is critical, Dewey thought, to distinguish between education which inculcates collaborative and creative hypothesizing and education which foments obeisance to parochialism and dogma. And philosophy must apply this same standard to itself. SEP
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Moral insights come from the demands of others, not from any individual’s isolated reflections. And insights come from all social quarters. Intelligent revision of norms therefore requires practices of moral inquiry that stress mutual responsiveness to others’ claims, and social inclusion of all members of society. Such practices are constitutive features of democracy, understood as a form of everyday life (not simply as a type of state constitution) (CD 224–230). This is the point at which Dewey’s political philosophy emerges from his ethics. Democracy, in Dewey’s view, is the means by which we practice intelligent moral inquiry together, seeking solutions to the problems we face together... Dewey regarded democracy as the social embodiment of experimental intelligence informed by sympathy and respect for the other members of society... (SEP)
Other Internet Resources
- Center for Dewey Studies, Southern Illinois University Carbondale
- John Dewey, Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
- John Dewey, American Pragmatist, (pragmatism.org)
- John Dewey Society
- Links to Full-text Works by and about John Dewey, (dmoz open directory project)
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...Dewey appreciated our national pastime. "The sources of art in human experience will be learned by him who sees how the tense grace of the ball-player infects the onlooking crowd," he wrote in Art as Experience. Maria Popova, like E.J. Dionne discussing American democracy: 21 historic answers to 5 urgent questions, is also Dewey-eyed. The rest of that book's subtitle is Dewey's own phrase, "the task before us."
Democracy, wrote Dewey in Creative Democracy: The Task Before Us (1939), is "a belief in the ability of human experience to generate the aims and methods by which further experience shall grow in ordered richness." But ability should not be confused with probability. This attitude is indeed an aspirational article of faith, no less than it was on the eve of America's entry into the war against fascism abroad. Today the challenge is closer to home. The late Dewey devotee Richard Rorty was blunt: "Dewey's dreams of participatory democracy will never come true." Oh he of little faith. I still want to believe, and to affirm the possibility at least, that there are enough Amanda Gormans and Greta Thunbergs out there to wake their generation to the dream.When our girls were small I was, for a time, a public school activist. I started an online discussion group called Nashville PTO Talk, that got a bit of play in local media reporting. The tagline on all my posts was Dewey's statement in The School and Society (1899): "What the best and wisest parent wants for his own child, that must the community want for all of its children. Any other ideal for our schools is narrow and unlovely; acted upon, it destroys our democracy."
“The things in civilization we most prize are not of ourselves. They exist by grace of the doings and sufferings of the continuous human community in which we are a link. Ours is the responsibility of conserving, transmitting, rectifying and expanding the heritage of values we have received, that those who come after us may receive it more solid and secure, more widely accessible and more generously shared than we have received it.” John Dewey, A Common Faith (1934)
Democracy and Education
- Is it possible to indulge and express national pride and patriotism constructively, without becoming objectionably nationalistic?
- Can you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
- Do you think Richard Rorty got John Dewey right? Is his neo-pragmatism a legitimate continuation of Dewey's philosophy?
- In 1998 Richard Rorty wrote: [Working class & "badly educated" voters] "will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers — themselves desperately afraid of being downsized — are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else. At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots... One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past 40 years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. … All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet." Is that what happened?
- Do you share Rorty's hopes for a more global, cosmopolitan, democratic (etc.) America?
- Do you have a favorable, unfavorable, or indifferent attitude towards Platonism? Why do you think Rorty saw the repudiation of Platonism as connected to his social hopes?
- Are you a philosophical dualist with respect to reality or mind? Are they "nested" together, as Dewey said?
- Why do you think Rorty considers metaphysics and the appearance-reality distinction "unfortunate"?
- Is Rorty right to want to demote epistemology ("the quest for knowledge") as he indicates?
- Do you agree that our ability to trust and cooperate with others is our most praiseworthy capacity?
- Should we be trying to create a social democracy, even if we think the prospects of success are dim?
(More Discussion Questions coming soon... but feel free to post and respond to your own, in the comments space below. Post at least two short essays each week.)
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How have national pride and American patriotism come to seem an endorsement of atrocities--from slavery to the slaughter of Native Americans, from the rape of ancient forests to the Vietnam War? Achieving Our Country traces the sources of this debilitating mentality of shame in the Left, as well as the harm it does to its proponents and to the country. At the center of this history is the conflict between the Old Left and the New that arose during the Vietnam War era. Richard Rorty describes how the paradoxical victory of the antiwar movement, ushering in the Nixon years, encouraged a disillusioned generation of intellectuals to pursue High Theory at the expense of considering the place of ideas in our common life. In this turn to theory, Rorty sees a retreat from the secularism and pragmatism championed by Dewey and Whitman, and he decries the tendency of the heirs of the New Left to theorize about the United States from a distance instead of participating in the civic work of shaping our national future.
In the absence of a vibrant, active Left, the views of intellectuals on the American Right have come to dominate the public sphere. This galvanizing book, adapted from Rorty's Massey Lectures of 1997, takes the first step toward redressing the imbalance in American cultural life by rallying those on the Left to the civic engagement and inspiration needed for achieving our country.
- “What makes us moral beings is that...there are some acts we believe we ought to die rather than commit...But now suppose that one has in fact done one of the things one could not have imagined doing, and finds that one is still alive. At that point, one's choices are suicide, a life of bottomless self-disgust, and an attempt to live so as never to do such a thing again. Dewey recommends the third choice.”
- “But you cannot urge national political renewal on the basis of descriptions of fact. You have to describe the country in terms of what you passionately hope it will become, as well as in the terms of what you know it to be now. You have to be loyal to a dream country rather than to the one to which you wake up every morning. Unless such loyalty exists, the ideal has no chance of becoming actual.”
- “If we look to people who make no mistakes, who were always on the right side, who never apologized for tyrants or unjust wars, we shall have few heroes and heroines”
- “The pre-Sixties reformist Left, insofar as it concerned itself with oppressed minorities, did so by proclaiming that all of us –– black, white, and brown –– are Americans, and that we should respect one another as such.”
- “One reason the cultural Left will have a hard time transforming itself into a political Left is that, like the Sixties Left, it still dreams of being rescued by an angelic power called "the people". In this sense, "the people" is the name of a redemptive preternatural force, a force whose demonic counterpart is named "power" or "the system". The cultural Left inherited the slogan "Power to the people" from the Sixties Left, whose members rarely asked about how the transference of power was supposed to work. This question still got unasked.”
- “For James, disgust with American hypocrisy and self-deception was pointless unless accompanied by an effort to give America reason to be proud of itself in the future. The kind of proto-Heideggerian cultural pessimism which [Henry] Adams cultivated seemed, to James, decadent and cowardly.”
- “If the Left forms no such alliances, it will never have any effect on the laws of the United States. To form them will require the cultural Left to forget about Baudrillard's account of America as Disneyland--as a county of simulacra--and to start proposing changes in the laws of a real country, inhabited by real people who are enduring unnecessary suffering, much of which can be cured by governmental action. Nothing would do more to resurrect the American Left than agreement on a concrete political platform, a People's Charter, a list of specific reforms. The existence of such a list--endlessly reprinted and debated, equally familiar to professors and production workers, imprinted on the memory both of professional people and of those who clean the professionals' toilets--might revitalize leftist politics.”
- “The cultural Left has contributed to the formation of this politically useless unconscious not only by adopting “power” as the name of an invisible, ubiquitous, and malevolent presence, but by adopting ideals which nobody is yet able to imagine being actualized.
Among these ideals are participatory democracy and the end of capitalism. Power will pass to the people, the Sixties Left believed only when decisions are made by all those who may be affected by the results. This means, for example, that economic decisions will be made by stakeholders rather than by shareholders, and that entrepreneurship and markets will cease to play their present role. When they do, capitalism as we know it will have ended, and something new will have taken its place.
[…] Sixties leftists skipped lightly over all the questions which had been raised by the experience of non market economies in the so-called socialist countries. They seemed to be suggesting that once we were rid of both bureaucrats and entrepreneurs, “the people” would know how to handle competition from steel mills or textile factories in the developing world, price hikes on imported oil, and so on. But they never told us how “the people” would learn how to do this.
The cultural Left still skips over such questions. Doing so is a consequence of its preference for talking about “the system” rather than about specific social practices and specific changes in those practices. The rhetoric of this Left remains revolutionary rather than reformist and pragmatic. Its insouciant use of terms like “late capitalism” suggests that we can just wait for capitalism to collapse, rather than figuring out what, in the absence of markets, will set prices and regulate distribution. The voting public, the public which must be won over if the Left is to emerge from the academy into the public square, sensibly wants to be told the details. It wants to know how things are going to work after markets are put behind us. It wants to know how participatory democracy is supposed to function.
The cultural Left offers no answers to such demands for further information, but until it confronts them it will not be able to be a political Left. The public, sensibly, has no interest in getting rid of capitalism until it is offered details about the alternatives. Nor should it be interested in participatory democracy –– the liberation of the people from the power of technocrats –– until it is told how deliberative assemblies will acquire the same know-how which only the technocrats presently possess. […]
The cultural Left has a vision of an America in which the white patriarchs have stopped voting and have left all the voting to be done by members of previously victimized groups, people who have somehow come into possession of more foresight and imagination than the selfish suburbanites. These formerly oppressed and newly powerful people are expected to be as angelic as the straight white males were diabolical. If I shared this expectation, I too would want to live under this new dispensation. Since I see no reason to share it, I think that the left should get back into the business of piecemeal reform within the framework of a market economy. This was the business the American Left was in during the first two-thirds of the century.
Someday, perhaps, cumulative piecemeal reforms will be found to have brought about revolutionary change. Such reforms might someday produce a presently unimaginable non market economy, and much more widely distributed powers of decision making. […] But in the meantime, we should not let the abstractly described best be the enemy of the better. We should not let speculation about a totally changed system, and a totally different way of thinking about human life and affairs, replace step-by-step reform of the system we presently have.”
Rorty on Dewey...
Richard Rorty: Life, Pragmatism, and Conversational Philosophy
“let’s try something different” July 22, 2017 • By Santiago Zabala
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Richard Rorty’s Warning Against AuthoritarianismAfter Drumpf’s election, Rorty’s prophecy of social collapse went viral. His final book is perhaps the clearest account of his political thinking.
Of all the recently departed thinkers who might have helped us puzzle through the dismal political, intellectual, and socioeconomic prospects of the Drumpf era, perhaps none looms as large as Richard Rorty. Shortly after the 2016 election, the great pragmatist philosopher, who died in 2007, won fresh viral renown thanks to a widely quoted passage from his 1998 book Achieving Our Country, which appeared to prophesy the conditions of Donald Drumpf’s shocking ascension to the presidency.
Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism
by Richard Rorty, edited by Eduardo Mendieta
Harvard University Press. 272 pp. $27.95
Working-class Americans, he wrote, “will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or jobs from being exported.” Nor will suburban white-collar workers, struggling against their own brand of office-park precarity, “let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for somebody else.” So in short order, Rorty argued, “something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed them and start looking for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodern professors will no longer be calling the shots.”
Never mind that Drumpf actually won a majority of the white suburban electorate’s support as well; the general outlines of Rorty’s forecast helped explain the pseudopopulist, protectionist, and white nationalist takeover of the Republican Party—a realignment that has outlasted Drumpf’s term in office... (continues)
"American philosopher"
Who dares think a nation? What is the status of philosophy in a nation founded by philosophers? What are the risks of practicing philosophy in America? Does America have a "native" philosophy? Eight short films about philosophy in America and American philosophy by Phillip McReynolds.
"Philosophical ideas are confined to one percent of the population and they tend to be cosmopolites who are not easily identified with their country....Dewey's dreams of participatory democracy will never come true." Richard Rorty talks about John Dewey.
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America the philosophical
The title is no joke.
Carlin Romano delivered a recorded Lyceum lecture at MTSU in 2013, talking about his book which surveys the surprising depth and breadth of American thought (in and out of academia)...
By Jennifer Senior
Nov. 20, 2016
Three days after the presidential election, an astute law professor tweeted a picture of three paragraphs, very slightly condensed, from Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country,” published in 1998. It was retweeted thousands of times, generating a run on the book — its ranking soared on Amazon and by day’s end it was no longer available. (Harvard University Press is reprinting the book for the first time since 2010, a spokeswoman for the publisher said.)
It’s worth rereading those tweeted paragraphs:
[M]embers of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers — themselves desperately afraid of being downsized — are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.Mr. Rorty, an American pragmatist philosopher, died in 2007. Were he still alive, he’d likely be deluged with phone calls from strangers, begging him to pick their stocks.
At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. …
One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past 40 years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. … All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet.
When “Achieving Our Country” came out, it received a mixed critical reception. Writing for this newspaper, the critic Christopher Lehmann-Haupt called the book “philosophically rigorous” but took umbrage at Mr. Rorty’s warnings about the country’s vulnerability to the charms of a strongman, calling this prophesy “a form of intellectual bullying.”
Donald J. Drumpf enthusiasts might dispute the word strongman. But the essence of Mr. Rorty’s argument holds up surprisingly well. Where others saw positive trends — say, a full-throated dawn chorus praising the nation’s diversity — Mr. Rorty saw dead canaries in a coal mine.
His basic contention is that the left once upon a time believed that our country, for all its flaws, was both perfectible and worth perfecting. Hope was part of its core philosophy. But during the 1960s, shame — over Vietnam, over the serial humiliation of African-Americans — transformed a good portion of the left, at least the academic left, into a disaffected gang of spectators, rather than agitators for change. A formalized despair became its philosophy. The system was beyond reform. The best one could do was focus on its victims.
The result was disastrous. The alliance between the unions and intellectuals, so vital to passing legislation in the Progressive Era, broke down. In universities, cultural and identity politics replaced the politics of change and economic justice. By 1997, when Mr. Rorty gave three lectures that make up the spine of “Achieving Our Country,” few of his academic colleagues, he insisted, were talking about reducing poverty at all.
“Nobody is setting up a program in unemployed studies, homeless studies, or trailer-park studies,” he wrote, “because the unemployed, the homeless, and the residents of trailer parks are not ‘other’ in the relevant sense.”
Does this overlooked category sound familiar?
Mr. Rorty did not deny that identity politics reduced the suffering of minorities. But it just so happened that at the very moment “socially accepted sadism” — good phrase, that — was diminishing, economic instability and inequality were increasing, thanks to globalization.
“This world economy will soon be owned by a cosmopolitan upper class which has no more sense of community with any workers anywhere than the great American capitalists of the year 1900.”
Again: Ring any bells?
This group included intellectuals, by the way, who, he wrote, are “ourselves quite well insulated, at least in the short run, from the effects of globalization.”
Which left the white working-class guy and gal up for grabs — open to right-wing populists, maybe even strongmen. In Mr. Rorty’s view, no one within academia was thinking creatively about how to relieve white working-class anxiety. This was a problem. “Outside the academy,” he wrote, “Americans still want to feel patriotic. They still want to feel part of a nation which can take control of its destiny and make itself a better place.”
Richard Rorty in 2004.
Sounds an awful lot like Make Donald Drumpf Again.
At the time, Mr. Rorty was staring at a slightly different political landscape. But it wasn’t that different, ultimately. Today’s just has more mature trees.
In “Achieving Our Country,” he wrote about the perils of the North American Free Trade Agreement; today, he’d probably have cautioned against the Trans-Pacific Partnership. In “Achieving Our Country,” Mr. Rorty railed against the “scurrilous demagogue” Pat Buchanan, who in 1991 talked about building a fence at the Mexican border; today Mr. Rorty would have railed against Mr. Drumpf and his proposed wall.
“Why could not the left,” he asked, “channel the mounting rage of the newly dispossessed?”
Is his analysis a bit oversimple? Yes. Even within universities, there have always been optimistic champions of America, those who ever-passionately believe in the moral arc bending toward justice and work ever-diligently on formulating concrete, actionable policies that would make the country more just.
By focusing only on his own environment, academia, Mr. Rorty’s arguments also seem strangely parochial. During the 1960s, the academic left may have started to turn its back on poverty, but actual politicians on the left were still thinking a great deal about it: Robert F. Kennedy was visiting poor white families in Appalachia; Lyndon B. Johnson was building the Great Society.
Right through the ’90s and into the 2000s, we had left-of-center politicians singing the praises of hope, rather than the hopelessness that Mr. Rorty decries. Bill Clinton explicitly campaigned as the “man from Hope,” and Barack Obama would later campaign on a platform of “hope” and “change.” In passing health care reform, Mr. Obama genuinely did something for the immiserated underclass, and both men, in their ways, rejected identity politics. (Remember Mr. Clinton dressing down Sister Souljah? Or Mr. Obama declaring on MTV that “brothers should pull up their pants”?)
But it wasn’t enough, obviously. “Under Presidents Carter and Clinton,” Mr. Rorty wrote, “the Democratic Party has survived by distancing itself from the unions and from any mention of redistribution.” Mr. Clinton was particularly guilty of this charge, passing Nafta, appointing Robert Rubin as his Treasury secretary and enthusiastically embracing financial deregulation. Mr. Obama pushed the Trans-Pacific Partnership. And he was one of those fancy elites.
Which brings us to Hillary Clinton. She may have had a plan to relieve the misery of the working class, but she didn’t speak about it much. (Bernie Sanders did. And lost.) She was in favor of the Partnership until she was against it. In a paid speech to a Brazilian bank, she spoke of a “hemispheric common market” for energy. And though her slogan was “Stronger Together,” her campaign was ultimately predicated on celebrating difference, in the hope that disparate voting blocs would come out and vote for her.
Here, Mr. Rorty’s most inflammatory words are most relevant, and also most uncomfortable: “The cultural Left has a vision of an America in which the white patriarchs have stopped voting and have left all the voting to be done by members of previously victimized groups.” Mrs. Clinton tried this strategy. It didn’t win her the Electoral College. “This Left wants to preserve otherness rather than ignore it,” he also wrote. That didn’t work either.
People are furiously arguing about what played a key role in this election — whether it was white working-class despair, a racist backlash or terror about the pace of cultural change. It seems reasonable to think that all three played a part.
What’s so striking about “Achieving Our Country” is that it blends these theories into a common argument: The left, both cultural and political, eventually abandoned economic justice in favor of identity politics, leaving too many people feeling freaked out or ignored.
“It is as if the American Left could not handle more than one initiative at a time,” Mr. Rorty wrote. “As if it either had to ignore stigma in order to concentrate on money, or vice versa.”
You may quarrel with his argument; you may say that he was projecting onto the larger world what was happening within his own cloistered, ivied walls. But Mr. Drumpf is now our president-elect. nyt
By Stephen MetcalfJanuary 10, 2017
How could the late philosopher Richard Rorty have celebrated the rise of identity politics in the university while also deriding the major trends in critical theory as illiberal and decadent?
In the days leading up to and following the Presidential election, a seemingly prophetic passage from the late philosopher Richard Rorty circulated virally on the Internet. The quote, which was subsequently written about in the Times and the Guardian and on Yahoo and the Web site for Cosmopolitan magazine, is from his book “Achieving Our Country,” published in 1998. It is worth quoting at length:
Members of labor unions, and unorganized and unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.The chilling precision of these words resulted in renewed interest in Rorty, who died in 2007. Eighteen years after its release, “Achieving Our Country” sold out on Amazon, briefly cracking the site’s list of its hundred top-selling books. Harvard University Press decided to reprint it.
At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. . . . Once the strongman takes office, no one can predict what will happen.
Rorty’s new fans may be surprised, opening their delivery, to discover a book that has almost nothing to do with the rise of a demagogic right and its cynical exploitation of the working class. It is, instead, a book about the left’s tragic loss of national pride. “National pride is to countries what self-respect is to individuals, a necessary condition for self-improvement,” Rorty writes in the book’s opening sentence, before describing in grim detail how the democratic optimism, however qualified, of Walt Whitman, John Dewey, and James Baldwin has been abandoned in favor of what he calls a “blasé” and “spectatorial” left.
Newcomers to Rorty and “Achieving Our Country” may be surprised on a second count as well. The Times piece about the new interest in the book summarized its argument like so: “In universities, cultural and identity politics replaced the politics of change and economic justice.” This is broadly accurate, but incomplete. Rorty, in “Achieving Our Country,” shows unqualified admiration for the expansion of academic syllabi to include nonwhite and non-male authors, and describes such efforts as one means of awakening students to the “humiliation which previous generations of Americans have inflicted on their fellow citizens.” He adds, without reservation, “Encouraging students to be what mocking neoconservatives call ‘politically correct’ has made our country a far better place.”
Rorty’s only issue with identity politics was that the left, having worked so hard to transfer stigmatic cruelty away from received categories like race and gender, had done too little to prevent that stigma from landing on class—and that the white working class, finding itself abandoned by both the free-market right and the identity left, would be all too eager to transfer that stigma back to minorities, immigrants, gays, and coastal élites. (Hence the viral prophecy.)
The principal object of Rorty’s derision was neither identity politics nor the rise of an ignoble free-market right but a peculiar form of decadence, which his larger intellectual project aimed to counter. I knew Rorty a little; he was a shy and gentle man, a red-diaper baby who grew up to be a bird-watcher and a savorer of Proust and Kant in their original languages. But his loathing of the academic left was neither shy nor gentle. The “Foucauldian” left, he writes in “Achieving Our Country,” “represents an unfortunate regression to the Marxist obsession with scientific rigor.” In the specific case of Foucault, this involved locating the “ubiquitous specter” known as “power” everywhere, and conceding that we are without agency in its presence. “To step into the intellectual world which some of these leftists inhabit is to move out of a world in which citizens of a democracy can join forces to resist sadism and selfishness into a Gothic world in which democratic politics has become a farce,” he writes.
How could Rorty have celebrated the rise of identity politics in the university while also deriding the major trends in critical theory as illiberal and decadent? And how did his exhortation for a renewed national pride connect with his earlier, more technical work on human mentality and the foundations of knowledge? Early in his career, Rorty had been preoccupied by the major questions of modern philosophy as they first arose in the seventeenth century, alongside the rise of experimental science. Is the human mind an object in the world, like all the other objects in the world? Is it, too, universally law-obedient to physics? And, if it is law-obedient, do we lack agency and, like other objects, inherent dignity?
Instead of solving these problems, Rorty thought we could ditch them, just as Descartes had ditched the problems of thirteenth-century scholasticism, and at a similarly low cost to the progress of human knowledge. The cheerfully non-philosophical way to ditch them was to ignore them, like most healthy people do. The slightly more philosophical method was to notice that people argued from, rather than to, their moral intuitions—an observation that may encourage us to accept that truth is at best a matter of consensus, not an observable fact of the world. The most philosophical way to abandon them was therapeutically: one could relive the philosophical past the same way an analysand relives her emotional past. By drawing, inch by agonizing inch, an unconscious pattern to the surface, one might discard it forever.
Around the same time Rorty completed his metaphysical therapy, and was reinventing himself as a general-interest writer, his peers in the English department were replacing the categories of mind and world with language and text. They were, in other words, reproducing the epistemological conundrums that had bedeviled modern philosophy since Descartes. Instead of ditching the old neurotic patterns, literary theory repeated them ad nauseum. Problems of knowledge became problems of interpretation. The glamour of its European intellectualism aside, this meant only that literary theory knocked back and forth between the assertion that nothing can be known—versions of this skepticism are found in Descartes, Hume, Berkeley, and Kant—and the assertion that skepticism can be vanquished when knowledge is reconstructed upon a new foundation.
Foucault rode this line perfectly. He said that all knowledge was inherently unstable, because it was historically contingent, and he built a new way of knowing around the master term “power.” The primal Foucauldian move is to locate abstract and universal rights, reason, and the notion of the human within concrete social practices, and show how they were coercive or hypocritical—or sadistic—from the start. The perfect symbol for liberal modernity is a prison, as governed by a panopticon, an instrument of universal surveillance. Point taken; but Rorty believed that, in addressing more or less all of humanity as his fellow-prisoners, Foucault was being decadent, and not simply because he was weakening the distinction between metaphorical and actual inmates. Foucault made seeing, or, really, seeing through, into a revolutionary activity, while implying that only an apocalyptic transformation in human thought might liberate us.
Foucault was a great philosopher. He worked tirelessly on behalf of prison reform for actual prisoners, and he was as canny as anyone about his own epistemological biases. Rorty and Foucault were, however, as temperamentally antithetical as two human beings can be. From intellectual habits that Rorty distrusted, Foucault moved on to a belief that Rorty detested. After exposing liberalism as a lie, Foucault then asserted that illiberalism was true to our nature. At times a fairly vulgar Nietzschean, he insisted that the substrate of our common reality, however we might suppress it, was cruelty. Shame is our hidden essence; the ugliest part of a thing is its truest part; being decent or kind or liberal is a sign of self-suppression or weakness; cynicism is knowledge. Here, the various tributaries of American nihilism flow into one another; a knowing passivity that regards cynicism as political courage leads to the rejection of liberal democracy on a juvenile dare. It was against just this sort of foolishness that Rorty wrote “Achieving Our Country.” NYr
Stephen Metcalf hosts Slate’s “Culture Gabfest” podcast and is currently at work on a book about the nineteen-eighties.
My name is Dan Eschenfelder and I am a not a traditional student. I'm 50 years old and I've wanted to earn my master's degree for some time. 20 years ago, I started and never finished. This time around...I'm sticking with it. I took three courses back in undergrad...Philosophy, Ethics and Logic. I would have to say that my favorite philosopher is Aristotle. I loved learning about the concept of the good life. Health, wealth, knowledge...it's motivation for us all. My approach to life? For the longest time I tried to live by something else he taught us in class: Acting events happen daily. My beliefs about those events determine my feelings, which helps to choose my behavior. It's not what happens to me but how I handle it that determines my emotional well-being. I choose to be neutral or positive. It sounds simple...choose positive feelings. But stress of career, loss of loved ones, and fear of the health and safety of our spouse and children make that quite difficult.
ReplyDeleteThanks for being first to introduce yourself, Dan. We discussed Aristotle today in my Intro ("CoPhi") classes, his differences with Plato and his commitment to virtue (particularly civic virtue) and "eudaimonia" as marking the good life for humans. I also appreciate his emphasis on the importance of establishing positive daily habits, to construct a virtuous character and enable a flourishing life. For him, being a good citizen is inseparable from character and commitment.
DeleteFYI: To all of you who may be thinking about the end-game, in this MALA program...
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My name is Abigail Woods! In spring 2021 I graduated with my Bachelor's in Organizational Communication, and I am continuing my education to get my Master's Degree. I am a huge goal setter, and pursuing my education is one of them. The fact that I have the opportunity to come back to school and learn even more is such a blessing! My present understanding of Philosophy is how I approach life. I ask questions to further my knowledge to learn about society, nature, and existence in depth. My favorite philosopher is a Greek philosopher, Solon, who contributed to the foundation for Athenian democracy. I also like Solon, because he did not care what your status was, you as a citizen must do good for the city no matter what. I love Solon's approach, and I agree with it. I think that it shouldn't matter if you are rich or poor, no matter what you should be a good citizen. My approach to life is to keep my head held high, and to never give up. My motto is doubt kills more dreams than failure ever will.
ReplyDeleteHe said: "Call no man happy until he is dead..." That's an ambiguous statement, and a bit of a downer for my Philosophy of Happiness course! --unless we give it an Aristotelian spin. I'll explain in class...
DeleteI would agree that self-doubt kills dreams. Doubt in the philosophical/skeptical sense, though, seems to me to be indispensable to the good and happy life. Not to doubt, to question, to challenge conventional thinking is intellectual suicide. So our challenge is to strike a prudent balance between doubt and credulity (or intellectual risk, perhaps).
Hello! My name is Megan and I am starting my second year of the MALA program. I am a mom to a tea party and dress up loving five year old, an avid traveler with a restless spirit, and a reader with a stack of multiple books by my bed. Philosophy to me is how I see the world around me and how I choose to contribute to that world. I believe that our differences and our similarities make us better. I believe in working hard and continuously learning and growing. And I believe in doing my best and allowing the grace in myself and others to be wonderfully imperfect. I'm looking forward to this class and learning more about democracy and philosophy.
ReplyDeleteFive is a magical age, I miss living with 5-yr olds (though our dogs are about that age, but they're not as much fun to read with).
DeleteMy second eldest niece is about to turn 6 and I forgot how smart she is, shes a little momma herself with her siblings. I wish I got to see her teaparty stage she went straight to full kitchen restraunt mode.
DeleteI response to the question regarding good citizenship and parenting- I think being a parent, or a parental role, is an important aspect of being a good citizen. It carries an great responsibility when you realize that as a parent you in charge of the understanding of someone who will make their own mark on the world. We teach children how to behave in different situations, how to handle emotions and perceptions, how to be held accountable, how to be self reliant, and how actions come with consequences. We teach them the values and principles that we hope they will carry with them out to the greater world. This doesn't mean that children will always stick with those ideas and principles as they find their own understanding, but they have been given them as a starting point. Children start with learning what their parents value and then move towards their own values. But for right now, while my daughter is still young, I feel that my job is to teach her and model for her what I feel is important for her to know. It requires a great deal of self awareness as I constantly evaluate what I am teaching her and what I am passing down to her. Am I teaching her how to respect those who are different or am I passing on my own prejudices? Am I teaching her healthy ideas about herself and her ability or am I passing on my own insecurities and shortcomings? Am I teaching her to be independent in her thoughts and actions or am I making her reliant on the opinions and beliefs of others? I believe that in asking these questions and being willing to change my own understanding about things helps to make me a better parent and also a better citizen as I work towards helping her grow up and be ready to be part of the world and to make an impact for good on it.
ReplyDeleteHi Megan, I like your comments on what we teach our children because it takes a lot of aspects of life to become a good citizen. I also like how you also said that as that they may not stick to the values and principles as they find their own understanding. You make a good point because as the world changes so do certain values and principles. I enjoyed your reading.
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"Children start with learning what their parents value and then move towards their own values"-- They do, when they've been well-parented. So many, sadly, never really take on the task of thinking for themselves as adults.
DeleteThe fact that you're asking yourself whether you're doing it right probably indicates that you're doing it right.
I completely agree with your comments Megan. I especially like that you said you constantly evaluate what you are passing down to her and are teaching her to be independent in her thoughts and actions. I don't have children but as an adult my relationship with my own parents has struggled because I've always had my own ideas and notions about life and how I choose to live. I believe having a parent that encourages your growth and supports their child to be who they are independently is a very healthy thing to do. I definitely believe this is something your daughter will appreciate greatly in the future.
DeleteDoes "experiential learning" or "learning by doing" work, in school and in life?
ReplyDeleteDewey believed in the effectiveness of experiential pedagogy. He saw hands-on learning as crucial to a child’s educational experience that can help develop their practical life skills. In Democracy Through Education Dewy writes, “America’s political indentify,” is creative experimentation. In order to “fulfill their eventual roles as fully participating citizens, students needed education in the habits (imaginative, empirical) which made the experimental sciences so successful.” Dewey believed that a combination of hands-on learning along with rote memorization skills were necessary for a child’s success. He boldly identified this style of learning as “intelligence” itself.
Dewey believed in a progressive style of education. The best way to reach a pupil is to assure they are invested in what they learn. What is taught in school should be relatable to that student’s life. This requires teachers to understand more about each individual student’s background to better engage with them.
Today the same hands-on method of teaching can be found throughout primary and secondary education and remains effective. As Dewey understood, students learn in different ways, come from different backgrounds, and retain information in a variety of ways. His style of pedagogy remains inspired.
Dewey's commitment to lifelong learning was rooted in that fundamental respect for every child's right to discover a personal passion, to have the desire to learn ignited and not smothered by institutional rigidity. He agreed, I think, with Mark Twain: never let schooling interfere with your education.
DeleteDo you agree (in the spirit of Dewey's statement that education is "life itself") that good citizens are lifelong learners?
ReplyDeleteBased on these readings, I would tend to agree with this philosophy. The consumption of news, social media, readings and even basic correspondence between friends can all serve as educational influencers. Dewey’s perception that “education is not preparation for life; education is life itself,” tells us that school is not designed for mere job preparation, nor valuable street knowledge. Education is a lifelong pursuit to be obtained well after adolescent teaching.
Dewey posits, “when the school introduces and trains each child of society into membership within such a little community, saturating him with the spirit of service, and providing him with instruments of effective self-direction, we shall have the deepest and best guarantee of a larger society which is worthy, lovely and harmonious." To me this is the building blocks to create a good citizenry. Reaching children at the earliest stages in their impressionable lives and developing them into compassionate individuals who care about their community and encourage philanthropic endeavors.
I also agree with this statement, something that I realize is that I learn something new every day, be it academic, or personal and that is the definition of life to me. To be able to grow as a person and as a learner.
DeleteI agree with this statement as well. I think that education is truly life itself. I think that those who are always pursuing growth in education are good citizens. I think this, because those who crave knowledge are those who want to change the world.
DeleteDewey stated that we each have the responsibility to conserve, transmit, rectify, and expand the values that were passed down to us from the generations before and in doing so give to future generations values that they can receive from us. This process of continuing values is a responsibility and an honor for us to share.
ReplyDeleteIn this way we take the values and the ideas of those that went before us and we evaluate in the context it was given in order to then look at it in the present context. In this way we can adapt those values to serve as continuing guideposts in moving forward. If there are values or beliefs that are not in line with our current understanding then we are able to rectify those before we pass them on the next generation.
By looking at values and beliefs in this way we are able to learn from our history as we look toward the future as we determine the best way to move forward with those values and beliefs and in doing so we give to the next generation the best of our understanding. And they in turn will do the same by taking the values that we give to them and adapting them and changing them for the better as they give their understanding to those after them. It is the continuous process of evaluating the past to put in in line with the present to spread the good out to the future.
Dewey's favorite words: reconstruction, renewal, growth, and intelligence. These words are powerful and can change the world. These concepts mean a lot to me. To me, reconstruction means to make new, to break everything down from the base and rebuild it into a better, more modern way. When it comes to American democracy and its future prospects, reconstruction is when a leader realizes something went wrong, and addresses in hopes of fixing it. Dewey wanted to reconstruct democracy by starting mainly with education. He thought that if he could break everything down from the ground up and change the way that children learn, it would benefit society.
ReplyDeleteRenewal, to me, means return to something that once caused destruction, and to make it better. To bring it back up, and to fix it. In American democracy, renewal means to address something that needs to be new. For example, a presidency. When four years have passed it is time to renew the presidency. Dewey focused in renewal through bringing up school and society through his experiential learning approach. He thought that he could renew the education system, so that it could benefit children's understanding of material.
Growth is a concept that I have been focusing on a lot recently. Growth to me means to work on something in order to have that thing better than before. I have been focused on growing myself as a student, and a person. I have been trying to grow into someone I can love, and be happy with. I have been doing this by trying to eat clean, working out each day, and pushing myself in my studies. I think that growth can be anything. Mental, physical, or emotional growth are very important. When looking at growth when it comes to American democracy, it should be a priority of a leader to want to continue to grow as an individual. It is important for the democracy and its future prospects to have someone who is an exemplary leader, who can admit when he/ she is wrong, and grow from it. A leader who grows is a leader who knows how to lead. Dewey states that, "growth is not something which is completed in odd moments; it is a continuous leading into the future" (p 60).
Intelligence to me, means to have knowledge on a vast amount of topics. To be intelligent is to have wisdom, and things to say that can change the way people think. The concept of intelligence to me is someone I would look up to, or go to for advice. In American Democracy, it is very important to have someone who is intelligent running things. If we do not have someone who is intelligent we will see no growth, renewal, or reconstruction. It is important to always have someone in power who can educate and change the lives of the community.
Citation:
Stitzlein S.M. (2017) Dewey on the Concept of Education as Growth. In: Peters M.A. (eds) Encyclopedia of Educational Philosophy and Theory. Springer, Singapore. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-287-588-4_52
Do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting... and for those who are not parents themselves, as well as for parents, a proper parental regard for all children? What would this entail, besides being willing to pay taxes that support public education and other child-supportive policies?
ReplyDeleteI am Tory, I am a 2nd year MALA student, graduation planned for May of 2022. I have 0% understanding of philosophy, I’ve never taken a class and those who I have asked to explain it kinda just smirk and give me some obscure passage and walk away like it’s a cryptic note to an underground writers club.
To begin, I am not a parent. However, I am the aunt to 6 and the godmother to one. I play an active role in my nieces (6) and nephew's (1) lives, constantly watching them or visiting helping to support their wants such as sports or activities where I can. I have been an active part in their lives since their births, as a matter of fact one of them turns 4 in a few days. That being said, I do believe that part of being a good citizen is good parenting. I have seen the struggles that are put on parents’, mothers in particular, to raise their children in a certain way, “…not to be too harsh”, “don’t discipline them so much”, “why don’t you spank them more often”, “if that were my child…”. These are just a few I have personally heard in public about children.
The thing is that parenting is hard especially those doing it alone, as so many are in today’s society, there is a saying, “It takes a village to raise a child.” That to me is one of the most accurate sayings ever, my cousin (the mother of 3 of my nieces, and my nephew), is a nurse, before this last pregnancy she worked 40 plus hours and her husband worked full time as well with 3 young children it was difficult on her to have to find a safe and reliable babysitter. Her children are…rambunctious…and smart and entirely too curious for their own good, and it can be a lot so automatically the amount that they would be paying would be well beyond what they could afford in childcare. So, she had to rely on her village and that at the time was her family, we would take turns watching them, between working ourselves or things that we had to do.
My cousin recently (August 22) had her fourth and if that was not difficult enough our entire family has been dealing with the declining health of our eldest members (my grandparents), and this morning my grandfather passed, so we are dealing with funeral arrangements and explaining to the children what is happening and telling our grandmother that her husband of 52 years is gone. She has a lot on her plate to begin with and now you add another stressor and that could break some people, but she relied on her family (village) to help take care of her children, to step in and say that “mommy needs a break”.
To explain in a clearer way why I think good parenting is part of being a good citizen, when you raise your child up in a “proper” way, you are instilling in them the manners and morals that they will walk through life with. You complain about that child screaming in the store and you say, “Well I would never allow MY child…”, and you never think about what that parent is going through. Maybe, they just worked a 12-hour shift got home realized “dang I need to pick up groceries” or maybe their child is just having a meltdown because they’re tired, I have experienced all of this and I’m not even a parent, just a devoted aunt. If you do not raise their child in a way that creates a functioning member of society, you are only inconveniencing those around you, and ultimately harming your child in the long run.
Do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting... and for those who are not parents themselves, as well as for parents, a proper parental regard for all children? What would this entail, besides being willing to pay taxes that support public education and other child-supportive policies?
ReplyDeleteIn short, yes. Now, a parent can influence a child to be a good citizen, but they are not their only influence. I believe it starts with good parenting, but what is that? Not all people believe in the same parenting techniques or have the same ideas about good citizenship. Also, some school systems are not allowed teach children the real American history, so children will form a false sense of citizenship because they will not know the true history. Children must be taught to not repeat the tragedies of our past. How will they be able to do that if they are not told the whole truth? That is where good parenting is so important. Parents must be willing to teach their children that our history does not have to predict our future.
Does Dewey's statement (at the end of A Common Faith AND on his gravestone) about our "responsibility of conserving, transmitting, rectifyng, and expanding the heritage of values we have received" express a conception of good citizenship with which you agree? Does it imply a responsibility to future generations that you share? Why or why not?
I believe that all adults must take action to preserve the world so that future generations don’t have to fix all the wrongs of the past. (Racism, global warming, deforestation, wildlife endangerment, air pollution, etc.). It is our responsibility to rectify the wrongs of our past history so we can help children to understand that being a good citizen means taking action and contributing to a future that will preserve our planet for generations to come. We must show our children that we care about others and the communities in which we live so they will do the same for their children.
Are public schools still (were they ever, can they still be) an "assimilative force" for unity in American life, bringing people of different races, religions, and customs together? I don’t believe that the public school system have ever been an assimilative force. Public schools, in my opinion, were meant to teach white children. The people in power did not want people of color to be educated. This is proven by slavery and later, segregation and Jim Crow laws. Until school systems teach black history for more than one month a year, and more than just Martin Luther King, and Frederick Douglass, schools will not be an assimilative force for unity in American life. The English believed that the manifest destiny was God’s will, therefore they would take the Americas for their own at any cost, in the name of God. I believe the manifest destiny represents England’s greed. Dewey’s writings are also telling when it comes to equality, which speaks to an ever-changing definition of good citizenship. He mentions a civilized community in comparison to a savage community. The indigenous people of the Americas were often called savages which, today, is an extremely ignorant comparison. The indigenous people were as intelligent or more so than their white counterparts, especially when it came to agriculture, hunting, and preservation of the earth. If it weren’t for the indigenous people, the English may not have survived in the Americas. The sad thing about the education system, whether public or private, is that most will pick and choose what to teach to exclude people of color and their accomplishments. I was privy to this form of teaching in the 60s and 70s.
Does "experiential learning" or "learning by doing" work, in school and in life?
ReplyDeleteI think experiential learning does work in school and in life. It is shown that students will retain the information better if they have a hands-on experience. This is especially true for me. It is hard for me to sit at a desk for hours and learn something if I am just being lectured. It is helpful for me if I hear real life scenarios or get hands on experience. It is also helpful if it is then related back to my life. Dewey argued this as well. He thought that the curriculum should be relevant to students’ lives. Dewey saw learning by doing and stated that showing practical life skills is crucial to a child’s education.
Looking at Dewey’s experiential learning approach has helped me understand myself as a student. Dewey wrote in the School and Society, “that every school must become an embryonic community life, active with types of occupations that reflect the life of the larger society and permeated throughout with the spirit of art, history, and science. When the school introduces and trains each child of society into membership within such a little community, saturating him with the spirit of service, and providing him with instruments of effective self-direction, we shall have the deepest and best guarantee of a larger society which is worthy, lovely, and harmonious.”
This quote spoke to me. Everything started to make sense to me as to why I learn the way that I do. I think learning by doing is effective, and is the most successful way to educate a child. I love how Dewey brings up multiple subjects whether that be art, history, or science, a child should be taught by experiential learning.
In one of my undergraduate classes a study about experiential learning was brought up. It was a study conducted by a university in Hong Kong about the importance of having a hands-on experiment before even teaching, or lecturing what it is about. They found that the students who participated in the experiential hands-on learning first retained the information better than those who were lectured first. It is interesting how multiple educators have brought up the importance of experiential learning, and how they are trying to change the education system. I think that experiential learning does work in school, and in life. I hope that in the future we see more schools educating children this way.
Here is the link to the Hong Kong experiential learning study if anyone would like to read it:
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1198659.pdf
Has your own education been "interdisciplinary" at any level? (How's the MALA program doing, on that score?) Is the present structure of higher education in this country conducive to interdisciplinary understanding?
ReplyDeleteWithin my classroom, I really strive to create a learning environment that is "interdisciplinary" in nature, challenging the students I serve to use knowledge gained in other subjects, and with that knowledge apply it to what I am teaching. I put together a High School elective course titled, "Business Law / Entrepreneurial Studies" that is designed to challenge students to think like an entrepreneur. Within that environment, multiple other disciplines come into play, and although the syllabus provides a basic framework for the class and its stated goals, how we get their is dictated in large part by the students and their reaction / engagement in the assigned reading and projects.
I think Dewey would recognize not only the need for interdisciplinary teaching, but the value it offers in meeting the needs of students, and the various learning styles they exhibit. By meeting a student where they are at and allowing adaptation of the material for each student, it affords opportunity for a greater learning moment to take place.
I would argue that in many instances, a concept introduced solely within its stated discipline, could be lost on a learner, but when used across multiple disciplines, the chance for that to become real for the learner increased exponentially.
Although this is only my second semester at MTSU, my experience to date has demonstrated a propensity that encourages interdisciplinary learning, intent on expanding the overall learning process.
“The biggest undergraduate major by far in the United States is business. Twenty-two percent of all bachelor’s degrees are awarded in that field. Ten percent of all bachelor’s degrees are awarded in education.” -Louis Menand. What would Dewey say about that? What do you say?
Dewey would respond to the above quoted statistic as proof positive to his thoughts on education being a dynamic, ever changing field, that demands adaptation by all those involved to insure those being educated are taught effectively. This need for continual growth could stand as the basis for a higher percentage of people effectively taking the easier route in seeking a business degree.
I believe Dewey would argue that education is not sought as often as it is a more complex field, not offering a one-size-fits-all solution. Dewey would opine about the need for educators to be adaptable and ever changing both in their approach, but in response to their students. Dewey would point out the static nature of numbers and business, and perhaps suggest it is the easier route.
I think there is a factual basis to the observation that education is a more difficult and challenging field. I do not intend to in anyway diminish those with business degrees, I have one myself, but rather suggest the effectual higher calling nature of those called to teach. The smartest business person in the room cannot always stand and articulate the methods used to achieve the success seen, that role is assumed by the teacher. Alternatively, and this is something I tell my students all the time, in certain instances I can offer all the practical instruction in the world, but when it comes to the action to achieve that which I am teaching, I often fail, as in, "the doing", I am not as strong as I am within the teaching.
Are public schools still (were they ever, can they still be) an "assimilative force" for unity in American life, bringing people of different races, religions, and customs together?
ReplyDeleteWhile it is true that schools bring people together, it does not mean it is a uniting and accepting environment for all children. The differences among these children are not celebrated whatsoever. Based on my experiences in school, the variety of races, religions, and customs were not discussed. Anything other than the Christian ideology was not made known in my public schools.
Many people today seem to find alternatives for sending their children to public schools. While private schools are still an option, many people seem to be opting for home schooling techniques. Whether that actually be having them do school at the house or complete schooling through some sort of tutorial. These alternatives may continue to grow depending on how public schools continue.
When it comes to these questions, in view of this quote from Dewey's The School and Society (1899), do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting... and for those who are not parents themselves, as well as for parents, a proper parental regard for all children? What would this entail, besides being willing to pay taxes that support public education and other child-supportive policies, I had to think to reflect upon my personal experience in these matters. I believe this can be answered as yes and no. My parents did not help me to become a good person in contributing to society. There are a few people in the world that can turn into great citizens by having horrible parents. This is due to those people understanding that they don’t want to be like their parents. I was one of those people. I strived to make myself the opposite of my parents. On the other hand, I do also believe that good parenting can contribute to making good citizens. The fundamentals that a set of good parents can give their child can easily make that child into an amazing member of society. What I mean by fundamentals is: great values like respect for others, helping other people in need, even though you get nothing out of the deed itself, and just doing things that benefit the community.
ReplyDeleteI believe that both experimental learning and learning by doing does work in school and life. Look at experimental learning, many experimental learning the kitchen over the course of years has come up with some of the most delicious tasting foods in the world. Also, by experimenting in the classroom, teachers have seen which learning tactics work with each type of student. This did not happen instantly, the teachers had to experiment with different types of learning styles to find the ones that worked with their students. When it comes to learning by doing, this is just as beneficial as experimental learning. Most trade skills come from learning by doing. Look at mechanics, they learn from a type of apprenticeship in the garage they work in. Without these types of people none of our cars would ever get fixed. In the classroom, math for example, a student can read about how to do an equation. So will understand, but some will not. The students that will not understand could possibly understand how to do the equation better by repeating that type of equation repeatedly. By doing this type learning they are getting a better understanding of how to the equation by learning how to solve it hands on instead of reading.
Why do you think "progressive education" is so often mocked and caricatured by critics?
ReplyDeleteThe structure of education has not progressed in a way that benefits the students. Education could arguably be one of the most consistent things in American society, but it has not be adjusted to accommodate the changes that have been made in society. The public school system is so large and could be much more difficult to change compared to smaller school systems. For progressive education to be successful, it would need to be applied in a smaller setting to then grow into public school system. The possibilities could lie in private schools or something to this effect.
The possibility for a progressive classroom could also depend on the teacher. My entire school career was the same type of environment, until my senior year of high school. My English teacher took it upon himself to create a better learning environment based on what worked for the students, not based on what he was taught to do. His lessons were based on experiences and ways that helped us apply what we learned.
Has your own education been "interdisciplinary" at any level? (How's the MALA program doing, on that score?) Is the present structure of higher education in this country conducive to interdisciplinary understanding?
ReplyDeleteIt had not been interdisciplinary until my junior year of undergraduate, having explored other interests, I ventured upon the Africana Studies Program at MTSU. This allowed me to be invested in the education that I was attaining rather than being forced in the same monotonous classes. Similar to Dewey’s belief, I also fundamentally feel that progressive education asserted that students must be invested in what they were learning. Dewey argued that curriculum should be relevant to students' lives as it should be. The MALA program has been flexible and allowed mean to explore courses that would be relevant to what I aspire to do, whether its teaching or advocating. I’ve been able to explore classes, albeit electives, that really boost my imagination to what is out there. In terms of the present structure of higher education, I believe there’s more of an emphasis on interdisciplinary approaches, yet there is room of improvement.
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ReplyDeleteI am Sandy Flavin. I am a first year MALA graduate student. I graduated from MTSU with a degree in theatre in December 2020. I have two businesses, Leather Solutions, leather and vinyl restoration and a new t-shirt printing company, We Say T-Shirts, inc.
I am in this class to learn more about different disciplines within liberal arts. I have a limited understanding of Philosophy, and I am excited to learn more about it. My favorite philosopher is Aristotle. I am most familiar with the Poetics.
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I am Favour Boluwade (noticed my Favour is not spelt as Favor, American style?). I am enrolled for a master's degree in Liberal Arts. I would call myself a creative writer and a media enthusiast. I love and enjoy writing poetry, fiction, articles, scripts, lyrics and other writings - just writing something. After earning a bachelor's degree in Literature, I was an intern in a print media company, then worked as a journalist for a couple of years, still in a newspaper company, and later in a radio station as a ladies' show host. I enjoy speaking on topics that interest me and listening to learn, otherwise. I would say I connected to Liberal arts because it involves learning from all the bits of what I love and it is a 'new' course. I love exploring new things as such.
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• In view of this quote from Dewey's The School and Society (1899), do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting...
I agree that good citizenship COULD come from good parenting. Some individuals learnt good citizenship and morally acceptable behaviors on their own. This does not mean that good parenting does not have its part to play in raising good kids, who in turn, become good citizens. But how strong is this opinion?
I will use the example of robbers going to jail because it is truly obvious that the act of stealing is unacceptable in the law. But what happens when a parent never corrected his child when they bring other people’s property home or when something goes missing in the house, no word is raised about it? That child could have been taught in school that it is not morally acceptable to steal or take other people’s belongings if they were not given to him, or even heard in a religious environment, that the act is against the principles of religion. This leaves the child choices, to follow the ideas of his parent or the outsiders – his community, religious body or what his teachers say about the law.
Whatever the child becomes after all ends up being his 'sole' decision, influenced by many playing characters. If he decides to become a thief, it is not because his parent didn’t frown at the idea of stealing, if he does not become a thief either, it is not because he followed the ideals of the society and lessons from religion, it is because he decided which one to follow.
Becoming a good citizen is being law abiding and standing for what is right most of the times. Some are not taught to be good, they learn it on their own and stick with it, some are influenced to be that good and they stand by the good.
There are set laws that guide the community or well, a nation, that will influence a child's way of behavior, but somehow what a child has learnt by watching his parents, guardians, siblings, friends or anyone he spends most of his time paying attention to might be his resolve. But whatever the child does later -good or bad citizen- is his decision.
• Do you agree (in the spirit of Dewey's statement that education is "life itself") that good citizens are lifelong learners?
DeleteEducation is one thing of pride to have because of the many packages it comes with, among which is the confidence it gives, the ability to control life matters because of one's tested intelligence and knowledge.
I have come to understand notwithstanding that education within the four walls of a classroom is not the only way people can learn or gain experiences of life. This is because there are many values that one must intentionally be aware of if they want to be relevant in the society.
You cannot say to me 'I am educated' and do not know the basic things on respect for humanity, dignity, social intelligence, and the like. There are many people who understand academics so strongly, but they do not have skills of association.
Truly the classroom might teach anyone how to listen and speak but not all have learnt to do so outside of it. It all comes down to the fact that education must be all-round.
You have this LIFE Dewey talks about if education and experiences are balanced. I had a motto guiding me in my undergraduate years that says, ‘learning and culture’. There are opportunities that knowledge from academia will open for a person, but a terrible character will ruin before it even starts and vice versa.
It only means that individuals are supposed to learn to be literates and learn to be cultured simultaneously ; then can it be said that a person is educated which is true in this sentence: “Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself. Education, therefore, is a process of living and not a preparation for future living.” ― John Dewey
Discussion questions for Sept. 9th. Richard Rorty.
ReplyDelete“In universities, cultural and identity politics replaced the politics of change and economic justice. Nobody is setting up a program in unemployed studies, homeless studies, or trailer-park studies because the unemployed, the homeless, and the residents of trailer parks are not ‘other’ in the relevant sense.”
Rorty is speaking about identity politics, the focus on one’s particular race, gender, social background, religion, or class in ways of political oppression. Politicians and academics effort to focus on these important elements of political change, may shine a light on the individual or group and how real their struggles are; however, it veers from making any effort to actually bring upon economic change, which is what Rorty suggests. Setting up social programs to help with job placement, permanent residency for those with financial need or providing much need for people with mental incapacities, seems to be a more effective way to provide assistance. Identifying “victims” and invoking “shame,” as Rorty mentions, instead of efforting real social justice in ways of programs, studies, organizations which physically help assist those in need, do nothing for anyone. It just points to a problem.
It's not enough, in other words, to express grievance on behalf of this or that constituency; the goal is not merely to describe what's wrong with the status quo, and to identify with a group sharing particular grievances relate thereto; the goal is to improve the status quo. Real change requires solutions, not just complaints.
DeleteI agree that is not enough, and I can see why Rorty was so passionate about a left that was not willing to do the work or actions to actually bring to fruition solutions to achieve our country.
DeleteRorty said, “the left once upon a time believed that our country, for all its flaws, was both perfectible and worth perfecting. Hope was part of its core philosophy. But during the 1960s, shame — over Vietnam, over the serial humiliation of African-Americans — transformed a good portion of the left, at least the academic left, into a disaffected gang of spectators, rather than agitators for change. A formalized despair became its philosophy. The system was beyond reform. The best one could do was focus on its victims.”
ReplyDeleteI am an avid tennis enthusiast. I watch many tournaments year-round, but nothing compares to the grand slams. I watch as the Aussies--and their ravenous fans--cheer on their home country heroes like Ash Barty, or Nick Kyrgios. Oddly enough, Kyrgios is known to be a hothead, and quite frequently an embarrassment, but that doesn’t stop them from rooting with pride for their countryman. Same for the French and the English in their slams. But when it comes to the US Open, the same is not the case. Our fans don’t seem to have any patriotism for their countrymen/women.
Again, “shame,” as Rorty suggests, seems to be the root of this behavior. We live in a time where some would rather take to the streets to rip down historic monuments in protest, rather than petition for their removal. Riot in the streets when there’s injustice rather than peaceful protest. It’s quite true, dialogue, petition, and even attempts at legislation can and are frequently met on def ears; however, the former seems to further any chance for a positive outcome. It does more to divide our country then heal. “Hope” should still be our core philosophy and patriots can still protest.
Hi Dan, I like how you said we as a country seem to lack that patriotism and respect for our countrymen/women. It seems that rioting and the destruction of properties and businesses goes against wanting to make a real change for the better in the country. While the rioters will say they are doing this for the country, the people who just lost their business and their livelihood because they happened to be where a riot broke out will not see it as an act of bettering the country but as losing everything they had. The hoops to go through are many, and the process discouraging to really make change happen. But if the goal really is to make a difference for good, then there needs to be that respect for the people and that hope for something better to come.
DeleteThe problem is, patriotism has been conflated with nationalism. "USA USA USA!!!" does not feel like healthy patriotism, but more like jingoistic nationalism. But Rorty's point is that patriots stand for a nation's best principles and aspirations. They're activists on behalf of the nation's highest ideals, not mere sideline spectators and critics. "Achieving our country" means committing to its stated values and working to expand the full benefits of citizenship to all. Real patriots support their country AND criticize its government/policies/practices. No contradiction there.
DeleteAnd I want always to root for my country's athletic heroes, but in the current atmosphere that can feel like endorshing mindless nationalism.
Is there a difference between being a good citizen and a patriot? I would say yes, there is. While sometimes these two go hand in hand, they are not necessarily one in the same. Being a good citizen essentially is about following the rules as we live to be good and do good in the space we live in. Being a good citizen means that you abide in laws of the land, be a productive member of a community, pay your taxes, etc. While being a patriot goes beyond that and is more in line with a deeply rooted love, respect, and protection of your country and its people.
ReplyDeleteThere are people who live by all the social rules and yet hate the country and everything about it. While there are those whose love of the country and a fierce belief in an idea leads them to break the law as they try to move that idea forward.
But real movement and change happen when these two aspects go together. When each person feels that it is not enough to just be a good citizen, but also want to be a good and responsible patriot in the ways that we can. Instead of complaining about the country and where it is lacking and blaming the other side, being a patriot would be coming together to find the best solution to the problem. Being a patriot would be setting aside personal prejudices and trying to see things from different perspectives to make the country better. And being a patriot is honestly putting the people first in continuing to build a country without political agendas and misinformation getting in the way.
That belief in the country, of what we could be despite where we have lacked, and the responsibility we fee about our own small yet important space in that country come together to make an incredible force for good.
What a great response! I love how you said that there are people who live by all the social rules and yet hate the country and everything about it. I agree that being a patriot is coming together with others to show your love for the country. You can still be a good citizen and not be a patriot, but that can be difficult. I think that it would be hard, because when you're a patriot you have respect for the place you live, which makes you want to be a good citizen. However, if you aren't a patriot, you may not be as passionate about where you are from. As a result, it could make you not really care about being a good citizen.
DeleteI really don't know anyone in this country who "hates everything about it"...
Delete"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain
"if you aren't a patriot, you may not be as passionate about where you are from" -- I'm from earth, and the Milky Way, and feel passionate about that. Embracing cosmopolitan ideals seems to me perfectly congruent with being a good citizen of the world,and ultimately of the cosmos. I don't see any reason why it should make me less than a good citizen of Tennessee and the US as well.
DeleteHi Megan, As I was reading through your response I started thinking, although good citizenry and patriotism are not necessarily one and the same, perhaps being a good citizen falls under the umbrella of patriot. Meaning, being a good citizen of the US or the world will inherently make you feel patriotic. Patriotic, to me, means that one is passionate about the country and world, flaws and all, and has hope for a better future. One can achieve, in some small way, to this better future by being a good citizen. Great read.
DeleteI do agree that our ability to trust and cooperate with others is our most praiseworthy capacity. I think those who have an open mind, and those who are kind to everyone are the most knowledgeable people. Someone who doesn’t turn someone else away just because they don’t view something the same way says a lot about a person.
ReplyDeleteI also think this the most praiseworthy capability, because when you are civil with others it invites conversation. Conversation is good, because that is when we learn. I know a lot of people who I do not share the same view or beliefs with, but when we get together we have healthy educational conversations. When we talk with others that is what helps us grow our understanding on certain issues. After reading about Richard Rorty I agree with his statement that we should stop worrying about whether what one believes is well-grounded ,and start worrying about whether one has been imaginative enough to think up interesting alternatives to one’s present beliefs. It does not matter one’s beliefs, it matters what you think after opening your mind to the limitless possibilities.
I don't think Rorty is saying we should "stop worrying about whether what one believes is well-grounded," in the colloquial sense of being defensible in terms of available evidence and consistent logic, etc. He is saying that a certain sort of ultimate "grounding" in terms of something supernatural or transcendental that will obviate the need for respectful conversation and openness to other views is simply not available to us. He's saying philosophers in our western (Greek-centered) tradition, ever since Plato, have too often presumed otherwise. Bottom line, as you say, is that we must open our hearts and minds and talk to one another in good faith. And finally agree to disagree, agreeably.
DeleteHi Abigail, I liked how you said that those with an open mind are the most knowledgeable. When one has an open mind they are more willing to see a different perspective which just expands what they already know to include all that they don't know or understand. But by only being willing to see the one side and to stick with what they believe to be true, they miss the opportunity to learn and grow in new ways.
DeleteAbigail I love how you said " When we talk with others that is what helps us grow our understanding on certain issues." I agree that ultimately having an open mind, listening to others but being able to maintain our own believes is the key to a more harmonious society. Too often in our society I think we only surround ourselves with people who think just like us and we don't necessarily like having uncomfortable conversations or are very unwilling to understand another persons viewpoints. I definitely believe the key to grow as a society and individuals are accepting each other for our differences and not accepting everyone to think the same as us.
Delete• Can you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
ReplyDeleteI am conflicted. I could see either or. It is hard to think you can be a good citizen without being a patriot. It is hard to be one without the other. Being a patriot is having respect, devotion, and a strong love for your country. If you are a patriot you are passionate about where you are live, and are proud to call your country home. When you are a good citizen you respect where you are from. You can be an average citizen if you are not a patriot. However, most think those that are true patriots are the best citizens, because they have the upmost care and respect for their country.
However, at the other end I think that you can be a good citizen without being a patriot. You could be a good citizen because you want to be a good person. You could hate where you are from, but you will still care and do what is best for the people around you. I think you could look at patriotism and good citizenship in many different ways.
I like what Richard Rorty says in Achieving Our Country. He said that too much patriotism with too much self-respect results in arrogance, and too little can lead to being a coward. I think that you want to be in the middle. You want to respect where you come from, but also have an open mind. However, at the same time I think that we should be proud, and love where we come from because that is what makes us who we are.
I'm most comfortable with a form of patriotism that's less about where I'm "from" than where we're going. Are we advancing in the direction of our highest stated ideals of liberty, equality, justice et al? Are we prepared to commit ourselves to the work required to effect that movement? Or are we jaded spectators, jeering cynically from the sidelines?
DeleteSamuel Johnson is often quoted: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." But he wasn't anti-patriot. He just meant that real patriots have their eyes on a forward-looking prize. They don't think it's "my country right or wrong." Consider his other statement:
‘A patriot is he whose publick conduct is regulated by one single motive, the love of his country; who, as an agent in parliament, has, for himself, neither hope nor fear, neither kindness nor resentment, but refers every thing to the common interest.’
I would say I agree to the point you raised Abigail - there are ways people can be good citizens, yet be unpatriotic.
DeleteA world governed by rules is a place where no one really wants to get into trouble. Noting that, many citizens try to play good, or well, obey the law and that does not signify patriotism.
• Can you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
A citizen can decide to pay taxes and we go ahead to call him patriotic, because he followed a set rule that he has no choice but to fulfil.
Patriotism is not enforced, it is not a rule and it is mostly a reaction to a personal emotion of either love or hatred.
I think citizenship is more of belonging to a place and being what you are asked to portray. Every good citizen might not even be 'good' people , when what one is mostly doing are things that will make you safe in the society.
From my point of view, the difference will always be that patriotism comes from voluntarily accepting that one wants to stand for the country he belongs to, love that country and be ready to go the extra mile to see the place become better and stronger while citizenship entails just abiding by regulations. Maybe all patriotic citizens can also be good citizens but all good citizens cannot be patriotic citizens. There is commitment in patriotism and that is not outside of love.
I would say that I am a philosophical dualist when it comes to reality and mind. I believe these two aspects work together and create a moving force within ourselves to go and do and believe and hope.
ReplyDeleteReality is what is in front of us. This piece of time that is before us and what is happening in that time. Some of that reality is heartbreaking and difficult to be part of. While other pieces of reality are wonderful and inspiring and make us grateful to be part of it.
But our ability to see, understand, and create meaning of that time in reality comes from our mind. Things that happen around us or to us are only personally meaningful to us because we assign a meaning to it based on our own beliefs and understandings. Without that, anything that happened would be looked at very objectively. But with the mind at work on how we perceive reality, it causes an emotion and that emotion moves us forward to make changes in the reality before us.
If we were only in the mind and ignored the reality before us then we are not really part of what is going on around us. And if we were solely focused on reality without the mind then we would never feel emotionally invested in what was going on to something. They work together, giving each of the benefit and also the struggles of what that combination looks like.
The pragmatic tradition of James, Dewey, and Rorty also rejects the false dualism of mind vs. reality, which enabled philosophers like Descartes actually to wonder (or pretend to wonder) if the "external world" (including other persons, and even one's own body) is illusory. They think something has gone radically wrong with any line of thinking that lands us in that sort of confusion.
Delete• Can you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
ReplyDeleteI believe that the two are not mutually exclusive. You can be a good person and a good citizen without being patriot. By definition, a patriot is “a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.” A good citizen does not have to defend their country, they can clean it up, take care of it or at least not participate in the wrecking of it. I personally think that I am a good citizen, would I defend the U.S.? No, mainly because I think that our country has issues that need to be fixed. I believe that we are so focused on helping others that our ability to see the disease that is growing within our own country. I used to believe that patriots were people who were in military or in a position of power such as police or national guard. However, my uncle considers himself a patriot because he would stand up for his country if needed, and he was not in the military due to health issues, and I have seen soldiers not be patriots, and that caused issues for them.
• Should we be trying to create a social democracy, even if we think the prospects of success are dim?
So, my understanding of what social democracy is that everyone has the same start in life, an example of this is free healthcare and free education, with these tools you have the choice to go on and better your life and not worry about being able to afford the debt that comes with the education. I feel that Billionaires should not be a thing, its one thing for a business to have that much money but a single person is just crazy. Social Democracy would help to spread the wealth from the ‘upper’ class to the ‘lower’ class and bring us closer to the middle. Yes, we will still have the rich and the poor, but at least the poor are not going to be starving or going without homes as long as they work for their money. Social Democracy would also help with our disabled people, my mother is disabled, she is just now able to go to college through the same system that Obama set up so that every American Citizen has 2 free years of college up to a certain cost-point. Being disabled means that she makes a set amount of money a month, and that amount is nowhere near the amount that she needs to live on her own, she does not even make enough money to live in student apartments, and that’s renting a room. So, our disabled in the U.S. do not make a livable “wage” and that is a shame, they did not choose to become disabled in most cases, but it was something that happened to them. Also, it would give the people the right to choose what happened to our country, we are the majority we should have a say, the abortion ban in Texas most likely would not have happened if the people were given a choice in the matter. I do recognize that it could become a slippery slope if not managed correctly, but I feel that sometimes the people are not being listened to a that creates tension where there shouldn’t be.
Interesting how many people will tell pollsters they oppose socialism but favor subsidized health care, education, etc., as if there were a significant difference. Labels and their false connotations are so often an obstacle to clear thinking.
DeleteMany people confuse socialism with communism.
DeleteI would like to comment on the question, “Must the sins of America’s past poison its hope for the future? I believe that our past, no matter how sordid, should guide us into a better future. Without knowing our truth, we will inevitably repeat the same mistakes which will stifle our growth as a nation. A quote from Achieve Our Country said, “What makes us moral beings is that...there are some acts we believe we ought to die rather than commit...But now suppose that one has in fact done one of the things one could not have imagined doing and finds that one is still alive. At that point, one's choices are suicide, a life of bottomless self-disgust, and an attempt to live so as never to do such a thing again. Dewey recommends the third choice.” I am inclined to agree. We cannot stick our heads in the sand and ignore what happened in the past. If this country is going to improve and grow towards a more just and equitable union, there is a lot of work to be done to achieve the goal of becoming a more perfect union. Recently, the “sins of the past” have apparently, not sunken in with the Supreme Court. As Texas now has one of the most restrictive laws against abortion after 6 weeks of pregnancy, the law also allows private citizens to sue the health care providers, family members, and anyone who helps a woman exercise her right to choose after six weeks of pregnancy. In the past, the supreme court sites Roe v Wade to stop these restrictive and unconstitutional laws against a woman’s right to choose. It is hard to believe that women must still fight to retain control of their bodies. I say all of this because, it is clear that if the sins of the past are not rectified, and then upheld by those in power, we are in for a heap of trouble. We must all remember to live so as never to do such a thing again.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately it is in the nature of our cyclical political system (and in the resulting radical shifts in the composition of our courts) to revisit and reimpose past sins and errors (such as restrictive and intrusive laws impeding women's autonomy), and for us to have to RE-achieve past progress. I suppose progress will always be two step forwards and one back. If we're lucky.
Delete[M]embers of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers — themselves desperately afraid of being downsized — are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
ReplyDeleteAt that point, something will crack. The non-suburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. …
One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past 40 years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. … All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet
I believe that Richard Rorty was very aware of how delicate our democracy is and made his prediction with many factors in mind. He had a grip on what the pulse of the nation was at the time, so he was able to formulate his ideas and thoughts to predict where the world was headed.
When I look back at the last 5 years, I realize that everything Rorty said was spot on, and it didn’t take long for one person to indoctrinate the minds of citizens who felt as though they were not being heard. If I look back at world history, there are few people that have had as much influence of others as Adolf Hitler. He too was able to avert people’s attention away from reality by telling huge lies. It is amazing to me how so many people can be swayed by a lie. Jim Jones is another example of how easy it is to manipulate a group into believing untruths.
As I said in my other post, women’s rights are being taken away after an almost 50-year case gets ignored. Black and brown people are still fighting, harder than ever, to be treated as equals to their white counterparts. The LGBTQ+ community are fighting for equality as well. It looks as though we are going backwards instead of forward. What were people thinking when they heard the slogan, “Make America Great Again.” It makes absolutely no sense to me. Considering the source, it sounds more like a call to vote for white supremacy. Knowing a candidate’s history who is running for president helps me make a more informed decision on who gets my vote.
All of this goes back to being a good citizen, a patriot, and well educated. If we all take the time to inform ourselves and take action, we will collectively be able to make decisions to move forward and finally live in a world that treats its citizens with respect. Unfortunately, we live in a world where people’s ideas of what is good and bad are not in sync.
Food for thought:
“This world economy will soon be owned by a cosmopolitan upper class which has no more sense of community with any workers anywhere than the great American capitalists of the year 1900.”
Richard Rorty might not have known Jeff Bezos, but I venture to say that he fits the above profile. Isn’t it ironic that in 2016, his book sold out on Amazon? And the publisher decided to reprint the book?
“Make Donald Drumpf Again” was actually Cousin John Oliver's satiric initiative to re-brand Trumpism by reinvoking his family's ancestral moniker. Didn't work, I guess. But it continues to amuse me. (And it's why I still have a widget on my computer that does indeed restore the ancestral version to every occurrence of the name.)
DeleteShould we be trying to create a social democracy, even if we think the prospects of success are dim?
ReplyDeleteRORTY believes that to achieve a common ground in a democratic society, there might be the need for a switch to social democracy, because of the kind of interest he shows for liberalism and a free society in his writings. Rorty wants a society that everything in it, it does, and approves will be for a common good, less egalitarianist and more social.
I believe this idea is on the path that hopes to narrow the class gap between the rich and the poor, which has become a postmodernism topic for so long. There is the upper class that is not exactly ready to 'split' their resources, a middle class that is trying to get rich and the lower class that keeps hoping that the upper and middle can share what they have; make everyone equal and create the supposed socialism.
There are questions that will be asked, which every class will be pondering on. The rich is saying "where was everyone when I was making the extra sacrifices to get all my resources and wealth, why should anyone feel entitled to the things I worked for myself, or why should I share my inheritance when I was given because I deserved it'? The middle class - which some societies do not even have because of the extreme wide gap between the rich and poor -is pondering 'why should I want to share the little I have again when all I need to do is get my priorities, connections and investments right so I can multiply these resources I have acquired so far'?
Finally, the lower class, who is the most vulnerable most times is asking 'If I can just get a share, can I get my priorities right and attain this wealthy heights like others'?
The idea of trying to create this social democracy is not only complicated but will need a lot of reformatory approach of mindset, the people and their society. Rather than invest so much energy trying to create that, it will not be a bad one to see how to make the capitalist work, create a SOCIAL environment where citizens can talk about their needs. This will allow representation from every level - you can only state your needs when you are the one lacking it. With a participatory democracy, let there be compromises made that helps to stick a balance steadily till individuals get to a point of comfort.
More egalitarian, I think you mean. Minimally, a social democracy removes the artificial obstacles to achieving equality of opportunity on a level playing-field. I suppose that could be compatible with a broadly capitalist economic system. But there's still the problem of minding the gap. As one observer put it, we can have social democracy or we can have ever-expanding economic inequality. We can't have both.
DeleteMore egalitarian - yes. I can't seem to edit posts this week. Truly, it is either we have a social democracy or we keep having wide economic gaps. We can't have both.
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ReplyDeleteThe first prompt I would like to address poises the following, "Can you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?" I would argue that the answer to this question is a resounding, "Yes!" Being a good citizen is different from being a patriot, by definition a patriot is one who supports his country and within that support would be willing to defend it. A good citizen however is one who is active in a community, with their contributions being towards the great good.
Rorty saw citizenship as a good thing, but did not require good citizenship to include the notion of one being a patriot. Within his quote that was made famous after his passing, with some suggesting it was foreshadowing the Trump presidency, he wrote, "[working class & "badly educated voters] will sooner or later realize their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported", a statement that, up to this point, I agree with, but not for the same reasons as cited by Rorty.
I would suggest that the disillusionment Rorty writes about is as a result of the realization of many that government, as an entity, has set its sights upon solving so many problems it perceives, real or otherwise, that in doing so, while the intent is noble, the execution falls flat in failure. Does that failure mean that one stops being a good citizen, or does it suggest that one can go about being a good citizen without being a patriot.
Unable to find a voice, and more likely, finding that their own voice is not being heard, it is easy to understand why one might divest themselves as a patriot, and yet continue to be a good citizen in their social sphere of influence. That critical switch in thinking begins to occur when one realizes that there truly is an, us vs. them mentality. Their government in its quest to solve problems, including problems of the world, have created scenarios that are to the detriment of the people whose priorities should be first.
Some might call that nationalistic, but the reality is, if the Homefront is not cared for first, it becomes increasingly difficult to care for the rest. Rescuers going out to search for victims of a natural disaster do not go out hungry and thirsty because the people they are looking for are hungry and thirsty, but instead go out nourished with the strength to search, and upon finding victims can then share from their abundance.
This is a tough question to address though, and I have attempted to keep it very high level, without getting into the weeds of being political. From a very real sense, a good citizen does not need to be a patriot, and arguably, a patriot does not always equate to being a good citizen. Can a balance be struck, I do not know, but if forced to choose between the two, I think being a good citizen brings much more value in the long term to their community, and perhaps by bringing that value and service, over time a sense of patriotism begins to form that affords them the opportunity to be both a good citizen and a patriot.
I'm still partial to the Mark Twain variety of patriotism, always supporting (and trying to achieve) our country but our government only when it deserves it. And it often does not.
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ReplyDeleteCan you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
These two ideas share some of the same qualities, but I do not think you have to be both. I know some people that are exceptionally good citizens, but are not patriotic. This is due to them not liking the government and the people that run the government. These people do a fair amount of charity work and give to their community ever chance they get. I believe that being a good citizen means that you care about other people and putting other people’s needs before your own. Some people in this country who call themselves patriots act the exact same way as the not patriot people that are still good citizens. The non-patriot people that I mentioned above would consider themselves patriots if they genuinely believed that the government was patriotic. It really all falls on what you believe in when it comes to this country and its government.
Do you agree that our ability to trust and cooperate with others is our most praiseworthy capacity?
I completely agree with this statement. There is no cooperation among different individuals if they do not trust each other. To cooperate with someone, you must trust that ideas that they are bringing to the table are beneficial to the discussion. Why do you think it is so hard for anything to pass in our congressional system? We have two sides to politics. Neither side trusts the other side. This is the reason we keep hearing about bills trying to be passed and it never passes. One side will not cooperate with the other side because, they do not trust that the opposite side is telling the truth about what is actually in the paperwork. Even outside of politics, you need trust in order to cooperate. Let us say I have a neighbor that is in a band and practices all hours of the day. I could go over to their house and make a compromise with them. We come to the agreement that I won't file any noise complaints as long as they do not practice after 6pm. If they trust that I won't file a complaint then they would cooperate with the cut off time for practices. If they did not trust me then they would not cooperate with me. At this point we would hate each other until one of us moved. So, I do believe that us having the ability to trust and cooperate with others is our greatest capacity.
Brendan,
DeleteI share similar thougts with you regarding being a good citizen while at the same time a patriot. In reading Rorty and looking at my sphere of social influence, I was able to identify friends who fall be defined as one or the other, as well as a few that I would call both. Knowing that government is such a toxic subject, and has been for a very long time, I fully understand how one becomes disenfranchised from the role of patriot while remaining a patriot.
-Jason
The second prompt I’d like to address is the question that asks if we should be trying to create a social democracy even if the prospect of success is dim. The short answer to this question, at least for me, is, “No!” I am a capitalist, I believe in capitalism, and more important than that, I firmly believe that government is not very good at solving problems, instead proving to be very good at creating problems no one knew they needed. Rather than simply leave the answer at that however, I think a look at what social democracy could like serves as the basis to form conclusions as to why it cannot succeed.
ReplyDeleteBefore looking at what social democracy looks like, I think it is important to present a principle that I believe, that principle is simply this, all people are created equal, afforded the opportunity to chart their paths in life, however not all people are born with equal talents and skills meaning the opportunity to chart their lives must fit within those talents and skills they were born with.
A social democracy seeks to level the playing field, providing opportunity for those who do not have, as well as taking from those who do. On paper, a utopian world like this sounds wonderful, except for the fact that is not the world we have. Different people have different skills, talents, and desires, and all the social engineering in the world cannot compel or force someone to be productive or successful.
Within a social democracy, someone or something, the natural assumption being government, must spearhead the campaign. Leveling the playing field requires people that not only want the playing field level, but who are willing to do the hard work necessary to carry their load. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link serves as a great visual for that work, demonstrating that unless everyone does their fair share, the system starts to fail.
I know for a fact that this does not work well within the small nuclear family I find myself a part of. Several years ago we got a puppy for the kids, kids who paid substantial lip service to how they would be responsible for the dog, and take care of it, and make sure it had everything it needed to survive. That lip service failed almost immediately, inevitably it was me or my wife who got up to take the dog out late at night or early in the morning, and to this day, I am the one who feeds the dog so it does not starve to death.
But let's look beyond the nuclear family, and take a look at a government agency designed to prop up and assist the average human, that agency is The United States Postal Service. I am a huge fan of the postal service, in fact I have an extensive, and very valuable stamp collection of non-circulated stamps. Its value extends into the thousands. Setting aside the collection for the balance of this discussion, both of my companies use USPS services almost exclusively, often averaging 500 packages per month.
DeleteOur socially engineered post office can take a 3-ounce package and ship it across the country for about $3.50. That same package, if shipped using either UPS or FedEx, companies that are capitalistic by design, would cost between $12 - $15. Logically, the question must be asked, is USPS more efficient than either UPS or FedEx? I think we know the answer is "No," rather by being propped up and subsidized by government, it allows USPS to simply charge what it charges with little regard for the expense related with that transaction.
The answer is the latter, without skin in the game, skin that requires running USPS like an actual business, it is very easy to charge extremely competitive rates. Putting politics to the side, this sort of subsidization is no different than actions taken by China in an attempt to bolster their goods across a global economy.
Be it USPS or China, attempts to level the playing field ultimately end up hurting the very people it was designed to help. Sometimes those impacts are paid at the time of transaction, other times later in the product life cycle. And within that social democracy, calls to raise taxes on companies like FedEX, UPS, or big oil, fail on their face, as anyone who has ever ran a company will tell you, when their costs go up, that increase is passed through to the customer.
I apologize for getting so deep in the weeds, but I think the old cliché - socialism works until it runs out of other people's money - holds true. We can agree to disagree on that cliché, however a solution exists within the people themselves. People are amazingly talented, and can accomplish amazing things when they set their minds to it.
If people are encouraged to look for ways to innovate, to create new products and services, develop new things that have the potential to change the world, I would argue at that point seeking and gaining assistance from a social democratic system is fine. We have seen these eco-systems popup within the crowd funding sphere. You, as entrepreneur, can pitch your idea to the world, explain what resources you will need to make it happen, and the world can decide if the solution or product you are offering justifies their investment in that project.
Make no mistake, not all will succeed, but as a lifelong entrepreneur, one who is self-made, I came from a very poor family, a family that did not realize how poor they were, I can tell you that I have failed many more times than I have succeeded. The difference, within every failure I have learned valuable lessons, and secondly, after each failure I made the decision to get back up and try things again. If all approached life with that sort of tenacity, all would be better off as a result, and that result would end up being exponentially better than any social democracy engineering that one might attempt.
I had to split my post into 2 as Blogger would not allow it to be posted in a singular manner.
Delete"A social democracy seeks to level the playing field, providing opportunity for those who do not have, as well as taking from those who do. On paper, a utopian world like this sounds wonderful, except for the fact that is not the world we have." But in Scandinavia, for instance, they come a lot closer to it than we do.
DeleteOne more thought on patriotism, from John Fogerty. I make a point of revisiting it every Jy 4...
Deleteome folks are born made to wave the flag
They're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief"
They point the cannon at you, Lord
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, yeah
But when the taxman comes to the door
The house look a like a rummage sale
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one
Yeah, some folks inherit star-spangled eyes
They send you down to war
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
They only answer, "More, more, more"
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no military son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, one
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one
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DeleteCan you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
ReplyDeleteI would say absolutely yes. A patriot is "a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors." By this definition, I believe it is possible to be a good citizen while not being willing to defend their country.
To me, being a good citizen would mean being responsible and being involved in your community. I believe that remaining educated and involved in the events and policies in the nation would help make a good citizen. If a person respects the place they are living, I believe this would also make them a good citizen.
It could also be argued that there are many people in this nation that could be considered patriots, but not good citizens. They care about the strength of the nation, but not do not care about the well-being and quality of living for other people in the nation. I would argue that being a good citizen would mean also caring for the people living around you.
Gabriela, I agree that a patriot supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. Unfortunately, January 6, 2021 showed the world that some citizens follow lies, conspiracy theories, other misplaced beliefs, and call themselves patriots. Retired military men were present, who, for some reason or another, believed that the Americans tallying votes were corrupt in some way. I find it interesting that a word can be thrown around so much that it loses its meaning when said by those who use it to hurt, pillage, destroy, and even kill. When I watched the men and women who stormed the US Capitol all I saw were people disrespecting the democratic process and the US Capitol. Yet, they thought of themselves as patriotic "soldiers" taking back their country. All of this to say, not everyone's ideas about patriotism are geared toward what is good for the country as a whole. I think that if you are a good citizen you are in fact defending your country in some small positive way. Maybe not to patriot status, but definitely trying to make the corner of their world better for the next generation.
ReplyDeleteIn view of this quote from Dewey's The School and Society (1899), do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting... and for those who are not parents themselves, as well as for parents, a proper parental regard for all children? What would this entail, besides being willing to pay taxes that support public education and other child-supportive policies? --"What the best and wisest parent wants for his own child, that must the community want for all of its children. Any other ideal for our schools is narrow and unlovely; acted upon, it destroys our democracy." The School and Society (1899)
ReplyDeleteI believe that parents are very much responsible for making good citizens. Children mimic what they see. I raised my daughter with the belief that civic duties is part of your everyday life. We taught her that the right things to do is to follow all laws and rules, vote in elections, pay your taxes, respect others and take responsibilities for yourself. I took her to the election poll when she was legally allowed to vote. Ensured she got a driver's license, filed her taxes and taught her the act of giving and kindness.
Does "experiential learning" or "learning by doing" work, in school and in life?
I live by learning by doing. I have the ability to learn better by doing. You can lecture to me all day and I may be able to follow what you are saying but until I get to get my hands on experience then I feel like I am lost. I think that lecturing is an important part of learning but I feel that you need to be able to practice what you are being taught.
I agree with your statement about parents being responsible for making good citizens. I had a similar response to that question. Regarding the experiential learning, I also agree. I believe that when people are learning by doing and under the supervision of a teacher, then when the student makes an error, there are still consequences however, it is still a safe environment that the consequences are not that severe but the student still learns a hard way about doing something differently for a different outcome.
DeleteDoes "experiential learning" or "learning by doing" work, in school and in life?
ReplyDeleteI like Dewey's idea about the "learning by doing" model, first, because it was so ahead of it's time. Even today schools do not incorporate this model as much as they could, and still heavily rely upon "experiental learning". I have worked in elementary school classrooms and when "learning by doing" was implemented in teaching, the students learned in a way that I can only describe as more richly or deeply. For example, telling students about how a plant grows from a seed is not the same as involving their senses and actually growing a plant from a seed. I can relate my own experiences in education to both models, and the "learning by doing" made a larger impact on me. When I was in third grade I remember being afraid of carpenter ants on the playground and a teacher completely changed that for me. He actually helped me to understand them as creatures that were interesting, and I became curious about learning about them. This transformation took place thanks to his "learning by doing" approach, and his care. Also, life itself is "learning by doing". I have wanted someone to tell me what to do next sometimes, but I just have to do it and find out.
Do you agree (in the spirit of Dewey's statement that education is "life itself") that good citizens are lifelong learners?
Yes I do agree with this. Good citizens may not realize they are lifelong learners, and the lifelong learners may not realize they are good citizens. However, the two go hand in hand. Lifelong learners want to continue to learn, and take opportunities to do so. By learning, they continue to grow, and don't keep their own minds in confinement. Those same lifelong learners are good citizens because they are aware of the needs and changes of individuals and society, and have the tools to rise up and meet those needs.
I agree with your statement regarding life-long learners continuing to grow. Not only are they aware of the needs and changes, I believe that they are more open-minded and will be able to offer more than one response to a potential idea/conflict. And the more responses they have, the more varied those responses will likely be. They will also more likely be exposed to many different people from different places, enhancing their communication skills. When you put both offering multiple and varied responses, and better communication skills, the better they will be at making compromises and know what the boundaries of each of the compromises.
DeleteI agree that good citizens are life long learners. To me they go hand and hand. You can't be a good citizen if everything you learned was in a different century.
DeleteI am Holly Kleiss. I love to learn and research topics as questions come to mind. After 30+ years since my last round of “formal” education, I thought I would earn my master’s degree to see if I can still do “formal” learning. My philosophy in life closely mirrors one of John Wesley’s quotes, “Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.” This idea then moves to John F. Kennedy’s quote “Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.” I believe that every person has a unique skill set with unique strengths and when society works together, amazingly good things can happen. Since I love to learn and believe it is the key to a better life, I share my gifts and talents through education of some sort.
ReplyDeleteGood citizenship definitely involves good parenting. The children learn by watching their examples and parents are their children’s first teachers. Parents set the example by how they treat each other; do they show respect to each other and do they listen to each other. One important lesson is showing the children how to act during a disagreement. Do parents demonstrate self-control during the disagreement; do they genuinely listen to the other’s words and try to understand the other’s position; can they truly attempt to put themselves in the other’s shoes; do they respond lovingly to the other; and ultimately, do they come to a mutual compromise?
ReplyDeleteHopefully, parents can then demonstrate these same attributes when working with people outside the home. If they are able to use these qualities in every aspect of life, they are model citizens in life-long learning, establishing an environment of team-work, self-learning, service and care of all attributes around them. These traits carry over into their vocations, their social networks, their pride in themselves and their belongings, their communities at all levels.
And as children grow, they look beyond their parents and watch other examples around them. For this reason, parents work as hard as they can to get their children into communities that share these values. The community can be all different shapes, sizes, colors, backgrounds, ages, people. The commonality of these communities, I believe, is the residents’ education, and more than just a formal education. It’s an education that is open-minded and accepting for a lifetime…learning how to be loving, kind, helpful, and mostly, respectful to all people, all of the time.
Great point about how parents act during an argument.
DeleteIn view of this quote from Dewey's The School and Society (1899), do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting... and for those who are not parents themselves, as well as for parents, a proper parental regard for all children? What would this entail, besides being willing to pay taxes that support public education and other child-supportive policies?
ReplyDeleteI do agree that good citizenship involves good parenting. There was a Chinese proverb saying that children’s mistakes should be blamed to his father's failure to teach them. I think this is similar to Dewey's idea that parents should take the responsibility to teach the kids. However, I believe that good parenting is not always wanting the children to seek higher education, like forcing them to go to college, it should be more like forming a positive morality of what is right and wrong. Instead of saying good citizenship involves good parenting, I am more agree that good citizenship involves good morality and passing it to the next generation.
Do you agree (in the spirit of Dewey's statement that education is "life itself") that good citizens are lifelong learners?
Yes, I agree that education is life itself. I think humans are learning all the time, they would keep receiving and interpreting information until they die. The education or school system is a fast-paced learning environment that prepares future learnings. Good citizens should be open minded to new ideas. People don’t have to agree different opinion, but understanding other perspectives is essential. Learning is a lifelong journey, so education is life itself.
I agree with your statement of forming a positive morality of what is right and what is wrong. I hope everyday that we gave good morality to our daughter.
DeleteIn view of this quote from Dewey's The School and Society (1899), do you agree that good citizenship involves good parenting... and for those who are not parents themselves, as well as for parents, a proper parental regard for all children? What would this entail, besides being willing to pay taxes that support public education and other child-supportive policies?
ReplyDeleteDewey emphasized in many of his writings that children are learn the most from their surroundings. With that being the case, children spend most if not all of their early years around the parents. This time they are learning from the parent’s actions and words and copy what they see. Parents are the first to teach children what the makings of a good citizen are and the difference between right and wrong.
Does "experiential learning" or "learning by doing" work, in school and in life?
I personally believe that this is the best way to learn, learn by doing as explained by Dewey. Students can sit in class all day going over textbooks but until they get out into their respective fields then they can not truly learn. The classroom can set a foundation for many topics but there are some things that can not be covered in the classroom.
“The biggest undergraduate major by far in the United States is business. Twenty-two percent of all bachelor’s degrees are awarded in that field. Ten percent of all bachelor’s degrees are awarded in education.” -Louis Menand. What would Dewey say about that? What do you say?
As someone who got his undergrad in business, what I most appreciated was how hands-on our work was. While there were still lectures and tests that we had to take, a majority of my business classes put us in real world scenarios that we would face once we got into the workforce. There were classes where we even worked directly with clients created business and marketing plans for their respective companies and products. Based on Dewey’s writings, this is what I believe what he would have wanted out of the class setting.
I agree Tyler the best way to learn is by doing.
DeleteI do agree that Dewey’s statement on his gravestone about our "responsibility of conserving, transmitting, rectifyng, and expanding the heritage of values we have received" expresses a conception of good citizenship. And yes, to me, it does imply a responsibility to future generations that I share.
ReplyDeleteThe heritage of values we have received have provided our society many freedoms and gifts that most of societies do not have the privileges. There have been many sacrifices from many people to uphold and protect these values. As good citizens, we need to conserve the gifts that have been passed to us for future generations so as many people as possible can experience these many freedoms and gifts. It is our responsibility to transmit these values as a way to teach the new generations the privileges that have been afforded to us, how to respect them, how to maintain them, and how to use them. It is our responsibility to rectify them so as societies change, the benefits of these freedoms and gifts can also change to stay relevant in the times. It is also important to expand these values. As time moves along, more people will hopefully be experiencing these freedoms and gifts. It is our responsibility to teach how to adjust the values given accordingly so they may be expanded to many others and not be weakened or lost in the process. All of this rolls into good citizenship because I believe, again, that we are to do as much good as we can with all that we have.
I agree that people need to value the gifts and freedoms we have been given, and honor the sacrifices made to attain them. We have a responsibility as a society to try to achieve the best that we can, and to teach values to future generations.
DeleteCan you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
ReplyDeleteI don't feel that good citizens and patriots go hand in hand. I think Trump brought this to light during his presidency. I am a good citizen. I believe in treat others with respect, I believe in doing good deeds, supporting charities and I vote with hopes of getting good people in charge of our country again. As far as Patriotism goes during Trump's era I did not love our country. I think during this period our country turned it's back on it's citizens.
Do you agree that our ability to trust and cooperate with others is our most praiseworthy capacity?
I agree that our ability to trust and cooperate with others is a praiseworthy traits. I find it hard to trust people but I have to believe that people are good and are going to live up to their side of the agreement. This is in your work life and your home life. If you don't trust and cooperate with others this would lead to a very lonely life.
I agree that people need to continue to try to cooperate and establish trust with each other, even if it's difficult. Cooperation and trust will advance the human race.
DeleteEven if you do not call yourself a patriot, you can still be a good citizen. A good citizen still knows what is going on in their country, still knows and, hopefully follows, right from wrong. A good citizen still participates in their community, serving alongside other members of the community to make it a better place. Good citizens try to look at challenges from another’s perspective. And a good citizen still, like it or not, pays taxes.
ReplyDeleteA good citizen supports their country by paying taxes. And a patriot is one who loves and supports their country. To Rorty, “National pride is to countries what self-respect is to individuals, a necessary condition for self-improvement.” Our country’s political scene has become two groups going against each other so stubbornly that they have lost self-respect for themselves. This divide is so strong that neither side can improve themselves because they are too busy pushing their agenda and cannot even “hear” the other side. Can a person, a patriot, support the multiple directions within the same country? If anything, this concept seems to be a contradiction; therefore, I think one can be a good citizen and not call themselves a patriot.
I believe that we should always try to create a social democracy regardless if we think the prospects of success are dim. Democracy by definition is government by the people. Another definition is the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions. Within a social democracy, everyone should be seen as equals and get the same voice and to be heard like everyone else. If that idealistic view is maintained, it creates an environment promoting self-respect and self-improvement. As long as that environment is maintained, then citizens will be more empowered to do more for their community and see the value of everyone working as one unit. Within that, the social community improves and creates a sense of pride. And then this becomes infectious and spreads. Hopefully this sense of working as one and the community’s pride will promote the social democracy and get the wheel turning for continued growth, respect and pride.
ReplyDeleteDo you agree that our ability to trust and cooperate with others is our most praiseworthy capacity?
ReplyDeleteI agree that cooperation and trust are definitely two of humankind's most praiseworthy abilities. It is an essential part of the fabric of what makes us human. The problems have been, and probably always will be, is that humans can be manipulated. The manipulation by those with ulterior motives can lead to a breakdown of that cooperation and trust. The past two years and many other times in history show us that people do not cooperate and trust one another. For example, the media manipulates us every day, and for most of us, it began when we were very young. The manipulation is presented even in ways that are not consciously realized. For example, subconscious messages in advertising, of which we are bombarded with daily. And of course there are other ways in which we are influenced as well. There are so many people who believe everything they are told, without question. This is dangerous. While cooperation and trust is the ideal and a worthy goal, and humans have this capacity, it is not always the reality. In fact, reality is usually the opposite.
Can you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
Yes. A good citizen is someone who involves themselves in the greater good of community, and cares about their neighbor. That neighbor can literally live next door, or be someone in another city or county. A good citizen cares about clean water and streets, cares about whether the school system is meeting eduation needs, for example. That citizen may involve themselves in personal ways in causes that better their city and nation. A patriot is willing to defend that nation. The patriot may involve themselves by joining the military, for example. What is interesting about these two spheres, is that the patriot may believe they are a good citizen simply because they are willing to defend their nation. Yet that same patriot may not care if the streets are clean, or about homeless people, or how to better the same country they are willing to defend. By the same token, the good citizen may consider themselves a patriot because they take the time to care and possibly involve themselves in keeping the city or nation cared for. Yet they do not want to defend it, as a patriot would. In both instances, the nation is the concern. And in both instances, the possibility exists that the striving of each in their own spheres might be pointless. If the nation is destroyed by an enemy, what good was it to be only the good citizen? Or if the nation is destroyed by pollution or lack of care, what good was it to be only the patriot? Cooperation is a solution, but unfortunately this seems to be lacking.
• Can you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
ReplyDeleteI think it depend on how we interpret patriotism. A good citizen can be following the laws, paying taxes and putting efforts to build greater communities, which make this person supportive to the country and that is considered patriotic behaviors. However, I think beside the physical evidence or supporting communities, the mental supports can sometime be essential to be a patriot. Such as always agree on the country’s decision or policies or simply “love” the country or have the willingness to defend the nation. So, I think if the definition of a patriot is just the physical support, then good citizen is a patriot, if it needs more spiritual support and willingness, then there is difference between the good citizen and patriot.
• Do you agree that our ability to trust and cooperate with others is our most praiseworthy capacity?
Yes, I agree the trust and cooperation are the praiseworthy capacity. I think the government system began because people think working together and trust each other are essential to survive. And today, companies, technologies and the international markets are the evidence of how humans using their ability of cooperate to build and make lives better. Inventions, sales and transportation, there are variety roles that need everyone to involve the society runs. However, when there is no trust among people, then there can be arguments, fights, and wars. It is a treasure if trust built between peoples and countries. Also, communication is essential to build this trust and cooperation, like sales representative. Trust and cooperate with others is our most praiseworthy capacity, and communication is the most useful tool to enhance our ability.
I totally agree that trust and cooperation is very praiseworthy.
DeleteCan you be a good citizen and not call yourself a patriot?
ReplyDeleteI believe you can be. There is a sense of pride for one's country but could not like the government or how its being run. There is a sense of nationalism based on the country you were born in and have pride in that. You can root for your country, as I do with the Olympics and other national events. You can be a good citizen and not be a patriot.
Thanks for your posts, class of Spring '22. Sorry to be late in acknowledging them. Lost my stepmom just after our block finished, have been a bit distracted. But I enjoyed our time together.
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