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Tuesday, August 31, 2021

Questions Sep 1/2

Discussion Questions:
  • Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?
  • Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?
  • Can you think of an example when you were misled by your senses in a situation that had serious consequences?
  • If the senses sometimes mislead, is the most rational response to mistrust them entirely?
  • What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?
  • What are you skeptical about?
  • How much skepticism is appropriate? How much is too much?

Study Questions LISTEN (Pyrrho)...

1. What was the main teaching of skepticism? ("Scepticism" in Br. spelling)

2. How did Pyrrho feel about the senses? 


3. Where did Pyrrho visit as a young man and probably encounter influences for his philosophy?  

4. How did Pyrrho say you could become free from all worry? Does Warburton think this would work for most of us?

5. How does modern skepticism differ from its ancient predecessor?


6. What is the opposite of skepticism?


Why be skeptical?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire

“I mean, you could claim that anything's real if the only basis for believing in it is that nobody's proved it doesn't exist!” 
― J.K. Rowling

“Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” 
― Albert Einstein


“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” 
― Carl Sagan


“I know of no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too desirous of evidence in support of their core beliefs.” 
― Sam Harris


“In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all imaginable degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species of moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence.” 
― David Hume


“I have always felt that doubt was the beginning of wisdom, and the fear of God was the end of wisdom.” 
― Clarence Darrow


"The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is based on "I am not too sure.” 
― H.L. Mencken

Summer '18-MALA 6040, Evolution in America - we had a field trip to Dayton TN, for the annual Scopes Trial re-enactment (as discussed in FL 18)...

Ancient Skepticism, from Philosophy Without Any Gaps...

Pyrrho & Ancient Skepticism discussed in Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy...




  


Dream of Reason on Pyrrho-"Two centuries after Pyrrho's death, one of his defenders tossed aside these tales and claimed that 'although he practised philosophy on the principles of suspension of judgement, he did not act carelessly in  the details of everyday life.' This must be right. He may have been magnificently imperturbable... But he was surely not an idiot. He apparently lived to be nearly ninety..." 337

"What use is knowledge if, for its sake, we lose the calm and repose which we should enjoy without it and if it makes our condition worse than that of Pyrrho's pig?" Montaigne on Pyrrho's Pig, in Consolations of Philosophy... 120


skepticism
Belief that some or all human knowledge is impossible. Since even our best methods for learning about the world sometimes fall short of perfect certainty, skeptics argue, it is better to suspend belief than to rely on the dubitable products of reason. Classical skeptics include Pyrrhoand Sextus Empiricus. In the modern era, MontaigneBayle, and Hume all advocated some form of skeptical philosophy. Fallibilism is a more moderate response to the lack of certainty.

Pyrrho of Elis (365-270 BCE)
Greek philosopher who originated classical skepticism. Since there are plausible arguments for both sides of any issue, Pyrrho argued, the only rational practice is to suspend all judgment, abandon worries of every kind {Gk. αταραξια [ataraxia]}, and live comfortably in an appreciation of the appearances. His teachings were preserved and amplified by his pupil Timon of Philius.
Recommended Reading: Edwyn Bevan, Stoics and Skeptics (Ares, 1980) and Richard Bett, Pyrrho, His Antecedents, and His Legacy (Oxford, 2000).
Also see SEPIEPEB, and ELC.

Sextus Empiricus (c. 200)
Sextus Empiricus
Ancient skeptic who defended the practical viability of Pyrrhonism as the only way of life that results in genuine αταραξια [ataraxia] in Pyrrhonian Hypotyposeis (Outlines of Pyrrhonism). The translation into Latin of Sextus's comprehensive criticisms of ancient schools of thought in Adversos Mathematicos (Against the Dogmatists) provided an important resource for the development of modern skepticism during the sixteenth century.
Recommended Reading: The Original Sceptics: A Controversy, ed. by Myles Burnyeat and Michael Frede (Hackett, 1997); Tad Brennan, Ethics and Epistemology in Sextus Empircus(Garland, 1999); and Luciano Floridi, Sextus Empiricus: The Transmission and Recovery of Pyrrhonism (Oxford, 2001).
Also see SEPEB, and ELC.

Ancient Skepticism (SEP)

The Greek word skepsis means investigation. By calling themselves skeptics, the ancient skeptics thus describe themselves as investigators. They also call themselves ‘those who suspend’ (ephektikoi), thereby signaling that their investigations lead them to suspension of judgment. They do not put forward theories, and they do not deny that knowledge can be found. At its core, ancient skepticism is a way of life devoted to inquiry. Also, it is as much concerned with belief as with knowledge. As long as knowledge has not been attained, the skeptics aim not to affirm anything. This gives rise to their most controversial ambition: a life without belief.
Ancient skepticism is, for the most part, a phenomenon of Post-Classical, Hellenistic philosophy. The Academic and Pyrrhonian skeptical movements begin roughly in the third century BCE, and end with Sextus Empiricus in the second century CE.... (continues)


Bertrand Russell: Popular Cynicism did not teach abstinence from the good things of this world, but only a certain indifference to them. In the case of a borrower, this might take the form of minimizing the obligation to the lender. One can see how the word "cynic" acquired its every-day meaning. What was best in the Cynic doctrine passed over into Stoicism, which was an altogether more complete and rounded philosophy. Scepticism, as a doctrine of the schools, was first proclaimed by Pyrrho, who was in Alexander's army, and campaigned with it as far as India. It seems that this gave him a sufficient taste of travel, and. that he spent the rest of his life in his native city, Elis, where he died in 275 B.C. There was not much that was new in his doctrine, beyond a certain systematizing and formalizing of older doubts. Scepticism with regard to the senses had troubled Greek philosophers from a very early stage; the only exceptions were those who, like Parmenides and Plato, denied the cognitive value of perception, and made their denial into an opportunity for an intellectual dogmatism. The Sophists, notably Protagoras and Gorgias, had been led by the ambiguities and. apparent contradictions of sense-perception to a subjectivism not unlike Hume's. Pyrrho seems (for he very wisely wrote no books) to have added moral and logical scepticism to scepticism as to the senses. He is said to have maintained that there could never be any rational ground for preferring one course of action to another. In practice, this meant that one conformed to the customs of whatever country one inhabited. A modern disciple would go to church on Sundays and. perform the correct genuflexions, but without any of the religious beliefs that are supposed to inspire these actions. Ancient Sceptics went through the whole pagan ritual, and were even sometimes priests; their Scepticism assured them that this behaviour could not be proved wrong, and their common sense (which survived their philosophy) assured them that it was convenient. Scepticism naturally made an appeal to many unphilosophic minds. People observed the diversity of schools and the acerbity of their disputes, and decided that all alike were pretending to knowledge which ____________________ * The Hellenistic Age ( Cambridge, 1923), p. 86. -233- was in fact unattainable. Scepticism was a lazy man's consolation, since it showed the ignorant to be as wise as the reputed men of learning. To men who, by temperament, required a gospel, it might seem unsatisfying, but like every doctrine of the Hellenistic period it recommended itself as an antidote to worry. Why trouble about the future? It is wholly uncertain. You may as well enjoy the present; "What's to come is still unsure." For these reasons, Scepticism enjoyed a considerable popular success. It should be observed that Scepticism as a philosophy is not merely doubt, but what may be called dogmatic doubt. The man of science says "I think it is so-and-so, but I am not sure." The man of intellectual curiosity says "I don't know how it is, but I hope to find out." The philosophical Sceptic says "nobody knows, and nobody ever can know." It is this element of dogmatism that makes the system vulnerable. Sceptics, of course, deny that they assert the impossibility of knowledge dogmatically, but their denials are not very convincing. Pyrrho's disciple Timon, however, advanced some intellectual arguments which, from the standpoint of Greek logic, were very hard to answer. The only logic admitted by the Greeks was deductive, and all deduction had to start, like Euclid, from general principles regarded as self-evident. Timon denied the possibility of finding such principles. Everything, therefore, will have to be proved by means of something else, and all argument will be either circular or an endless chain hanging from nothing. In either case nothing can be proved. This argument, as we can see, cut at the root of the Aristotelian philosophy which dominated the Middle Ages. Some forms of Scepticism which, in our own day, are advocated by men who are by no means wholly sceptical, had not occurred to the Sceptics of antiquity. They did not doubt phenomena, or question propositions which, in their opinion, only expressed what we know directly concerning phenomena. Most of Timon's work is lost, but two surviving fragments will illustrate this point. One says "The phenomenon is always valid." The other says: "That honey is sweet I refuse to assert; that it appears sweet, I fully grant." * A modern Sceptic would point out that the phenomenon merely occurs, and is not either valid or invalid; what is valid or invalid must be a state- ____________________ * Quoted by Edwyn Bevan, Stoics and Sceptics, p. 126. -234- ment, and no statement can be so closely linked to the phenomenon as to be incapable of falsehood. For the same reason, he would say that the statement "honey appears sweet" is only highly probable, not absolutely certain. In some respects, the doctrine of Timon was very similar... History of Western Philosophy==
An old post:
Today in CoPhi it's skeptics. Or sceptics, if you prefer the British spelling. Or you can follow their lead and refuse to commit. "Don't commit, and you won't be disappointed."

I haven't generally found that to be a reliable guidepost in life, instead taking my cue from the lesson James's "first act of free will" (previously noted) seems to me to teach: don't just sit there, stand and select a destination. And get going. As my old pal the Carolina prof says, do something-even if it's wrong. And as James also said, "our errors surely are not such awfully solemn things." Lighten up.  Pick a path. Move. (My friend's colleague David Henderson gave a first-rate presentation at the conference, btw, on not reducing wilderness and the national park system to an American thing but seeing wilderness as a call to cosmopolitanism.)

But that's my therapy, it may not be yours. Some of us really do prefer sitting on a fence, avoiding firm opinions, keeping all accounts open. And there's no doubt, a healthy dose of skepticism is good for you. But how much is too much? 

My answer is implied by the bumper sticker message on my bulletin board: "even fatalists look both ways before crossing the street." If you stop looking, you're either too skeptical or not skeptical enough. Probably a lunatic, too. Or the ruler of the universe. "I say what it occurs to me to say when I think I hear people say things. More I cannot say." [see below*]
Point is, we need beliefs to motivate action lest we sit and starve like Buridan's ass, or cross paths with a cart and get flattened. Prudence demands commitment. Commitment is no guarantee against error and disappointment, but indifference and non-commitment typically leave us stuck in the middle of the road or drop us off the cliff.

That wasn't Pyrrho's perspective, jay- and cliff-walker though he was. Fortunately for him, he seems always to have had friends steering him from the edge. His prescription - but is a skeptic allowed to prescribe? - was to free yourself from desires, don't care how things will turn out, persuade yourself that nothing ultimately matters, and you'll eventually shuck all worry. Or not. If we all were Pyrrho "there wouldn't be anyone left to protect the Pyrrhonic Sceptics from themselves." Prudence wins again.

Prudence and moderation. "The point of moderate philosophical scepticism is to get closer to the truth," or further at least from falsehood and bullshit. Easier said than done, in these alt-fact days of doublespeak. "All the great philosophers have been [moderate] sceptics," have sought truth and spurned lies, have deployed their baloney detectors and upheld the bar of objective evidence. Sincerity alone won't cut it.
The contemporary proliferation of bullshit also has deeper sources, in various forms of skepticism which deny that we can have any reliable access to an objective reality and which therefore reject the possibility of knowing how things truly are. These anti-realist doctrines undermine confidence in the value of disinterested efforts to determine what is true and what is false, and even in the intelligibility of the notion of objective inquiry... Facts about ourselves are not peculiarly solid and resistant to skeptical dissolution. Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantial-notoriously less stable and less inherent than the natures of other things. And insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit.
So, be a skeptic. But to paraphrase David Hume and Jon Batiste, stay human. ("Be a philosopher, but amidst your philosophy be still a man.")

Read Skeptic magazine, which in a recent issue doubts the possibility of eternal youth and features the parodic perspective of Mr. Deity. Skeptic's editor Michael Shermer says “Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.” And, “I’m a skeptic not because I do not want to believe, but because I want to know.”

Pyrrho must not have been that crazy, to have lived to nearly ninety. "He did not act carelessly in the details of everyday life," said a defender, he just suspended judgment as to their ultimate import in the larger truths of things. Or maybe he just wanted to protect his batting average, so to speak. If you never swing, you'll never miss. But you'll still strike out if you take too many.

David Hume, again. He was a skeptic but he didn't let that interfere with living. He ventured opinions but couched them in philosophic humility. He knew we couldn't all be Pyrrho, for "all action would immediately cease" and "the necessities of nature" would "put an end to [our] miserable existence." Miserable? He must have been having a bad day. Generally he was of great cheer and humane disposition.

So let's not throw in the sponge on humanity just yet. What a strange expression, "throwing in the sponge"-it comes from the Roman Skeptic Sextus Empiricus, who told a story about a painter who stopped trying so hard to paint the perfect representation of a horse's mouth and discovered that sometimes it's best to just let fly. Fling your sponge, let it land where it may. Okay, if you're just painting. If you're living a life, though, maybe just a bit less skepticism is prudent.

Is it possible to go through life questioning and doubting everything, committing always to nothing, and holding no firm opinions? Is it desirable or useful to try doing so? And do you know anyone who doesn't look both ways before crossing the street?

*Pyrrho reminds me of the Ruler of the Universe

...who is really more Pyrrhonist Skeptic than solipsist, I think.


MAN:   Pussy pussy pussy . . . coochicoochicoochi . . . pussy want his fish? Nice piece of fish . . . pussy want it? Pussy not eat his fish, pussy get thin and waste away, I think. I imagine this is what will happen, but how can I tell? I think it's better if I don't get involved. I think fish is nice, but then I think that rain is wet so who am I to judge? Ah, you're eating it.

I like it when I see you eat the fish, because in my mind you will waste away if you don't.

Fish come from far away, or so I'm told. Or so I imagine I'm told. When the men come, or when in my mind the men come in their six black shiny ships do they come in your mind too? What do you see, pussy? And when I hear their questions, all their many questions do you hear questions? Perhaps you just think they're singing songs to you. Perhaps they are singing songs to you and I just think they're asking me questions. Do you think they came today? I do. There's mud on the floor, cigarettes and whisky on my table, fish in your plate and a memory of them in my mind. And look what else they've left me. Crosswords, dictionaries and a calculator. I think I must be right in thinking they ask me questions. To come all that way and leave all these things just for the privilege of singing songs to you would be very strange behaviour. Or so it seems to me. Who can tell, who can tell.
. . . .
MAN:   I think I saw another ship in the sky today. A big white one. I've never seen a big white one. Only six small black ones. Perhaps six small black ones can look like one big white one. Perhaps I would like a glass of whisky. Yes, that seems more likely.
. . . .
Perhaps some different people are coming to see me.
. . . .
MAN:     Hello?
FORD PREFECT:    Er, excuse me, do you rule the Universe?
MAN:     I try not to. Are you wet?
FORD:    Wet! Well, doesn't it look as if we're wet?
MAN:    That's how it looks to me, but how you feel about it might be a different matter. If you find warmth makes you feel dry you'd better come in.
. . . .
ZAPHOD BEEBLEBROX:  Er, man, like what's your name?
MAN:       I don't know. Why, do you think I ought to have one? It seems odd to give a bundle of vague sensory perceptions a name.
ZARNIWOOP:  Listen. We must ask you some questions.
MAN:    All right. You can sing to my cat if you like.
ARTHUR DENT:  Would he like that?
MAN:   You'd better ask him that.
ZARNIWOOP:  How long have you been ruling the Universe?
MAN:   Ah, this is a question about the past is it?
ZARNIWOOP:  Yes.
MAN:    How can I tell that the past isn't a fiction designed to account for the discrepancy between my immediate physical sensations and my state of mind?
ZARNIWOOP:  Do you answer all questions like this?

MAN: I say what it occurs to me to say when I think I hear people say things. More I cannot say.
. . . .
ZARNIWOOP:     No. Listen. People come to you, yes?
MAN:  I think so.
ZARNIWOOP:    And they ask you to take decisions—about wars, about economies, about people, about everything going on out there in the Universe?
MAN:    I only decide about my Universe. My Universe is what happens to my eyes and ears. Anything else is surmise and hearsay. For all I know, these people may not exist. You may not exist. I say what it occurs to me to say.
ZARNIWOOP:  But don't you see? What you decide affects the fate of millions of people.

MAN: I don't know them, I've never met them. They only exist in words I think I hear. The men who come say to me, say, so and so wants to declare what we call a war. These are the facts, what do you think? And I say. Sometimes it's a smaller thing. . . .
. . . .

MAN: But it's folly to say you know what is happening to other people. Only they know. If they exist.

ZARNIWOOP: Do you think they do?

MAN: I have no opinion. How can I have?
ZARNIWOOP:  I have.
MAN:   So you say—or so I hear you say.
. . . .
ZARNIWOOP:  But don't you see that people live or die on your word?
MAN:    It's nothing to do with me, I am not involved with people. The Lord knows I am not a cruel man.
ZARNIWOOP:    Ah! You say . . . the Lord! You believe in . . .
MAN:    My cat. I call him the Lord. I am kind to him.
ZARNIWOOP:  All right. How do you know he exists? How do you know he knows you to be kind, or enjoys what you think of as your kindness?
MAN:    I don't. I have no idea. It merely pleases me to behave in a certain way to what appears to be a cat. What else do you do? Please I am tired.
. . . .

Note: This philosophical dialogue is excerpted from the final scene of the original radio series The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.  This sequence can also be found in chapter 29 of the novel The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, with more narrative description and slightly expanded dialogue.
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Here's something completely different: a cartoon view of Aristophanes' fable in Plato's Symposium:



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36 comments:

  1. (H03) "What are you skeptical about?"
    Sometimes I wonder if carrots actually give you better sight. Seems fake to me. But seriously, I'm skeptical about death and what comes next, if anything. I believe what I personally believe, but sometimes I just worry if I know absolutely nothing at all.

    "How did Pyrrho feel about the senses?"
    He didn't believe you could trust them. He always wondered how we know, for sure, that we are seeing, smelling, or hearing is really there. I don't really believe that I could hallucinate a smell or touch, but I do sometimes find myself imagining sights or sounds.

    "What is the opposite of skepticism?"
    Blind trust.

    "If the senses sometimes mislead, is the most rational response to mistrust them entirely?"
    Sometimes, sure, senses lie or make you believe something other than truth. But most of the time, you should just listen. If you imagine a truck about to run you over, what's the harm in moving out of the way? There would be a very minute chance of that truck being fake and a very real chance of you being flattened into a skeptical pancake.

    "What kinds of things do you tend to worry about?"
    I worry about getting older all the time. Death and aging scares me. The idea of having to move on and have a career, to have to sustain myself, sort of freaks me out. I usually worry about most things, horribly, other than that, but here's a shortened list:
    - Bugs crawling in my mouth when I'm sleeping
    - Someone injecting me with drugs on the street
    - Falling into a river or lake in my car (which is why I have a screwdriver in my console)
    - Not liking my profession
    - Getting older and having absolutely nothing to look back on because I was too busy doing school
    - Snakes

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    1. (H03) I completely understand your fears related to aging and your profession. I worry that I'm not making the best of my youth too, but who says your youth has to be the best part of your life anyways? Choosing a career is also very scary, but we still have time to figure that out.

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    2. H3 I really like your insight of youth not having to be the part part of your life. Some people look forward to having kids and raising them, and some people might look forward to retirement. Different stages of life may be what some people are looking forward to.

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  2. What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?

    A few surface level worries I face at this time relate a lot to my pursuit in life - which is anything and everything about music. Maybe it's not so much a worry but more of a personal doubt/questioning when it comes to my abilities and production. For me, nothing I could ever create lines up with the blueprints that form in my head, I always end up disappointed. I'm not a doubtful person, I would never talk poorly on myself or anyone else without absolute reason, but when it comes to writing and producing music, I find myself plagued with the most critical and judgmental mind.
    Currently working on a solution to that problem, I'll get it.

    How can we avoid worrying? How can we simply put away those terrible thoughts that never seem to diminish? I found a special little connection to Pyrrho when I thought about this. My answer: we know nothing. What could I possibly do or think of that would prepare me for tomorrow? The next day? Now, what could I do to stop worrying about such possibilities?
    There is not a whole lot to do when preparing for the future, so why don't we take things one step at a time? An approach I always use when facing anxiety towards anything comes from the great movie Meet the Robinsons: "Keep moving forward." There are going to be thoughts and worries and feelings that nobody could simply push to the side, but what anyone can do is to keep putting one foot in front of the other. When facing any worry, that is the bare minimum, no amount of worrying will throw you into the safezone, no certain amount of thought will give you peace, at least not at this point in my own story; so keep marching, keep moving forward, and come to realize that there is some you can do to prepare, and some just hurts, and you have to keep movin.

    What are you skeptical about?

    I'm not skeptical about much, I don't really think the government is very honest with us but I'm also not crazy about that notion. I think something I can honestly admit being skeptical about is the education system, and how much someone could put into it and in turn be thrown into a world of debt, hustle, and perhaps not enough to look back on or remember except for endless days studying and busting their butts over an analysis paper covering small rodents... just does not hit the sweet spot.

    How much skepticism is appropriate? How much is too much?
    I feel like if you're at a point where you're questioning a lot of things on the regular you should go see someone, too little skepticism and you're probably "too trusting"- make sense of that as you will - I think the happy medium of skepticism is challenging the ideas and actions you can't align with, but don't be annoying about it because absolutely no one likes to put up with someone who questions everything you do and say. So ask cuppa questions, but stay safe and don't be on people's butts unless you have a point you need to make - there's more to this, maybe I'll elaborate more on it tomorrow, as of now; keep moving forward, make your own decisions, and don't be up people's butts about everything. You don't have to conquer all of Rome in one day :) Live life to YOUR fullest, but also have some empathy, lot's to discuss

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    1. I am also a live life one day at a time kind of person. I do sometimes worry about if there are things coming that I could have been proactive about by looking ahead.

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  3. Can you think of an example when you were misled by your senses in a situation that had serious consequences?
    I think one of the most vivid experiences I can recall is when I had a an allergic reaction to something. I have a severe allergy to dairy and eggs (like anaphylactic shock) and one day I came home from school and decided to eat some meatballs before I went to swim practice. Well it turns out they had milk but I didn't know that at the time. After practice I felt really hot and itchy and turns out I was having a reaction 4 HOURS LATER. The thing is I can typically tell if something has dairy or not on my first bite, but whatever sauce the meatballs were covered in misled me, which ultimately caused me to go to the hospital. It seems very cliche but I feel like it does pertain to being misled. On another note, there are plenty of times when it's been completely dark and my vision believes to see one thing but it's actually not as well.

    What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?
    Honestly, there's a lot of things I worry about. From not waking up on time to being able to have something I can eat to dressing a certain way. When I think about what I'm currently worrying about, it all tends to just vanish but when I live out my day, they appear out of nowhere. I try my best not to worry because I have dealt with anxiety issues during high school. Some things I do to lessen my worries is either play feel-good music or read my Bible/do a devotional. Both of these things help me clear my head and prepare me mentally for whatever I need to accomplish. The overall stress associated with worry disappears in those moments and makes everything run more smoothly.

    Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?
    When it comes to believing in nothing, I feel like you are essentially believing in something which is nothing. For me, it's hard to grasp the idea of believing in "nothing" because of the immense amount of questions that develop from the construct. At times it can be therapeutic, in terms of peacefulness and quietness, but the things that are associated with "nothing" are still "something." I like to think of it as this white void: empty, clear, still, and silent.

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  4. H03:
    -What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?

    I worry about the people I love. I worry about how other people can affect or harm them. I worry that they aren’t taking care of themselves or protecting themselves from being emotionally hurt. I lessen that worry by communicating these worries to them and in return, they keep in mind how they can lookout for themselves which in turn makes me feel better. I also worry about the state of humanity a lot. About how selfish humans can. The lack of concern for your fellow humans.

    -Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?

    No, I don’t think it’s possible or comforting to try. If you can’t trust or believe anything there are no constants in your life and to me that is very unsettling. You can’t depend on anything to be true. I know for a fact that we need oxygen to breath and if we can’t rely on that what can we rely on?

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    1. I understand your worries because sometimes I go through the same thing of worrying about others so much that I can freak out sometimes but I’ve learned that communicating my concerns has greatly benefited me so I can ease my mind along with others I love and care about as well.

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  5. H02:
    Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?
    This can go either way. I agree and disagree. Having no commitment means you have no attachment, so you can lack the feeling of accomplishment or joy that comes from something you've put the time into. But then again, choosing not to commit leaves it so there's no possible way it can disappoint you. Or at least it seems this way on paper. Regret is a powerful thing, and if you continuously choose not to commit to things, you may wish you had in the future, causing the disappointment to inevitably come.

    What are you skeptical about?
    The majority of the skepticism I hold in my life is when it comes to people and the relationships I have in my life. We live in such an expansive, digital world, I feel I can't help but have my doubts about where I stand with a lot of people, and thus I miss opportunities or end up overshooting them.

    How much skepticism is appropriate? How much is too much?
    Skepticism is okay in healthy amounts. You shouldn't not question things. If you go into everything blindly then you will end up hurt. But you also have to leave room to loosen up, and to live a little. You need a healthy balance.

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    1. I agree with your third answer, a healthy balance is necessary.

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  6. (H03)
    Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?
    I think that not committing to something does minimize disappointment. If you you never have expectations you can't be let down. However, you miss out on a lot of joy. Excitement is a wonderful part of life, and by no committing you miss out on that.
    Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?
    I do not think its possible to believe nothing. Humans have to have some solid truths to survive, and especially to feel satisfied with life. I don't think its therapeutic to try. For me, I would get so confused and spend so much time questioning myself it was give me twice as much stress. Although, trying to accept that maybe not everything is so certain (especially negative things) would bring some solace.

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    1. Expectations can 100% increase your chances of disappointment, so not committing to something I feel as though does minimize it drastically. The way you said that you'll miss out on a lot of joy is very true! You need to experience the world even if it lets you down!

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  7. [H2] HANNAH LITVJAK:
    "Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?"
    I agree that it is preventative; however, I also believe that it is a lonely life to live. If we do not take any risk or leap of faith, it almost diminishes the joys of life and makes life seem a game of emotional survival. If we reject commitment, yes we avoid some disappointment, but we also avoid the potential to be surprised, which I do not think is enjoyable to live through. I think people who avoid commitment have been hurt before and are simply hesitant out of fear; but living in fear is hardly living at all.

    "What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?"
    Failure is the most painful sore on my shoulder. I am terrified of not meeting everyone else's or my own expectations; I want to be a daughter to be proud of, a student to be surprised of, a girlfriend to be relied on, a person to like - perhaps it could be symptoms of being an anxious person, but the pressure to be at the best version of everything I could be weighs me down. However, I try to look at the positive side of things while also staying ahead of assignments, as well as ahead of everyone else. Feeling prepared evades the fear of failing, or it at leasts cushions me some if I do.

    "How much skepticism is appropriate? How much is too much?"
    A relative amount of skepticism is to always be aware of downfalls, but not allow that potential downfall consume you. When making a new friend, it is fine to keep it in mind that this person might not be a good person or a friend, but do not let that fear keep you from making the effort nonetheless. What I believe the main flaw of Pyrrho's skeptic philosophy is that it is counter-intuitive and unrealistically difficult to retain; we cannot avoid our basic human instincts, so trying to be perfectly balanced on everything is not only exhausting but impossible. We cannot stand in front of a feral, rabid bear because we do not want to assume it will attack us - because it will and it does not mean you are gullible if you run from it.

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  8. H3 Is it really possible to believe nothing? or therapeutic to try?
    I don't think it is possible to believe nothing. You can try to ignore the signs around you, but I think there is overwhelming evidence that we do not solely exist but that someone greater put us here.

    Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?
    To a certain extent, yes I think it does. If someone says they are going to do something and then they don't, it can be confusing and hurt someone. If they never commit, there is no expectation.

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    1. I like how you said, "To a certain extent" because I believe there is a happy medium between no commitment and full commitment.
      I also agree that it is impossible to believe nothing, but I think it would be theraputic to try.

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  9. Tyler Martin (HO2)
    I do not recall a time that my senses have mislead me in a way that lead me to serious consequences, but many times my eyes have deceived me into thinking someone was waving at me when they were waving at someone behind me. This happened so often that every time someone waves at me now I always turn around and check my backside before I wave back.

    I am very skeptical about how people feel about me. I feel that many people act a certain way towards a person when they feel another way about them. It can be very hard to tell (especially with the limited, untrusted senses we are currently bonded to) what people actually think about you.

    A certain amount of skepticism is necessary in today’s world. I think that if you are not questioning what is around you then you are not thinking for yourself at all. The day that the world starts accepting everything they hear as fact (which seems like is getting more terrifyingly close everyday now) is the day thought itself is dead and therefore advancement.

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  10. H2
    Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?
    I personally think that it's impossible to believe in nothing. There are always things to believe in whether it's yourself, other people, laws, or natural laws that happen in the world and in nature. I do however think is therapeutic to try to. When there is so much going on in the world and in our everyday lives it is nice to have a break from what is happening and just try to believe in nothing.

    What are you skeptical about?
    I try not to be too skeptical about most things. I think I take a lot of things at face value and take it for what it is. I may be a little gullible but I try to be optimistic and I want to believe that what people do and say is the truth.

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  11. 1. What was the main teaching of skepticism? ("Scepticism" in Br. spelling)
    To not hold any belief as absolute. Be aware that everything you know could be incorrect.
    2. How did Pyrrho feel about the senses?
    Pyrrho believed that since his senses couldn't be fully trusted, he would just flat out ignore them.
    3. Where did Pyrrho visit as a young man and probably encounter influences for his philosophy?
    He visited India, where he saw gurus going through extreme self inflicted torment in order to achieve inner stillness.
    4. How did Pyrrho say you could become free from all worry? Does Warburton think this would work for most of us?
    Essentially his advice for not worrying was to recognize that nothing really matters. Warburton believes that while this technique might have worked for Pyrrho, it's certainly not for everyone. Most people rely on very internal responses to stimuli, so it is next to impossible for humans to simply ignore or overcome such a strong urge to follow your feelings.
    5. How does modern skepticism differ from its ancient predecessor?
    Modern skepticism is a tactic that is used to prevent oneself from being too narrow minded, and getting stuck in the belief that what you know is absolutely the truth. This can be done without going to such extreme routes as to not trusting your own senses 24/7
    6. What is the opposite of skepticism?
    The opposite of skepticism is dogmatism, which is when someone is very confident that they know the truth.

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  12. H3
    Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?
    Yes I believe I believe nothing, but that does not mean that things do not carry meaning with me it just means that instead of meaning being in any single thing it is in me. This is confusing because I also don't believe in my own existence, only that it feels as though I do exist. That doesn't make sense either because by what metric am I measuring how I feel. What am I comparing existing to if nothing exists? How can I know what existence is unless I can prove the existence of something? I'm not even sure if I exist because I'm sure that you think that you exist and to think that you thinking that you exist is somehow less true or provable than my own thinking that then I can't think either of those things with certainty. So unless existence can have a concrete, undeniable from any angle proof then the only safe assumption that can be made is that nothing exists because the idea of existence itself doesn't exist. I do not think it is therapeutic to try to believe in nothing though because it is still believing.

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  13. Lucie Myers H3

    What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?
    I worry the most about the future. I'm worried that my hard work won't pay off, and i'll look back on my life and be disappointed. I'm worried I'll see myself as a failure. I lessen my worries by trying to trust that the world is going to give me what I need and not always what I want.

    What are you skeptical about?
    I am skeptical about how life was created and how humans were created. I'm also skeptical about other's intentions and how they view me.

    How much skepticism is appropriate? How much is too much?

    Skepticism is appropriate as long as you don't let it consume you. If you live your life in fear and paranoia, you will be miserable. If you are able to control your skepticism and turn it into constructive curiosity, the skepticism is appropriate.

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    1. I really liked how you said skepticism is appropriate as long as you don't let it consume you. That is a really good way to phrase that because I feel at one point it will completely drive you crazy!

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  14. H03

    Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?

    I do agree that if you hold some type of commitment not only to yourself but others it lessons the disappointment you may have say if something bad happens. Because I think sometimes if you don’t commit to certain things like setting standards for yourself then you may allow certain negative things to happen to you or someone else.

    Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?

    Personally I find it confusing when someone says I don’t believe in something because in my mind if you don’t have a belief or multiple beliefs that means you do believe in something. But at the same time I do find it possible for someone to not believe in anything because again everyone has their own belief system that they choose to live by.

    If the senses sometimes mislead, is the most rational response to mistrust them entirely?

    Yes. I think once a person or people realize that their senses mislead them it may become easier for someone to not trust their senses anymore and from that there’s no room to rationalize thoughts that has been proven to be untrustworthy.

    What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?

    I tend to worry about what other’s think about me. And strategies I try to do to lessen my worries is stop myself from overthinking a situation by taking deep breaths or maybe think about a song that I really like and just think about lyrics of the song in my head to ease my nerves.

    How much skepticism is appropriate? How much is too much?

    Skepticism is appropriate in way of being able to question things you may not agree with all the time. I think it’s sometimes important to question certain beliefs that were taught but at the same time I feel that people can take skepticism too far if someone or people are put in dangerous situations.

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    1. Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?
      I agree that the topic is confusing to understand because to me to not believe something is to believe that you believe nothing (if that makes sense)!

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  15. Is it really possible to believe nothing? Or therapeutic to try?

    I do not think that it is possible to believe nothing, as believing nothing would be a belief in itself. If one were to think that they did not believe anything, that enlightenment would be very short before the realization that they were certain of believing nothing had become it's own belief. I think that taking the question closer to face value, while it would be extremely difficult to always have a questioning and open mind, one could try their best to always remain skeptical of information presented to them either via their own senses or outside sources.


    Can you think of an example when you were misled by your senses in a situation that had serious consequences?

    I had less serious consequences, but as a very direct example, I had been using my virtual reality headset for an hour or two to play an online game which had me grabbing, throwing, and maneuvering objects using virtually projected hands which were sized differently than my own. This acclimation to the virtual rather than physical sense caused my mind to begin to accept the change, and for a long while afterwards I was completely uncoordinated, nearly punching my utensils attempting to levitate them due to my muscle memory rather than picking them up normally with my fingers. This experience was a good reminder of how the mind can be influenced by outside factors, and that our perception of the world is not always the only perception, or the right one.


    "Fish come from far away, or so I'm told. Or so I imagine I'm told."
    This line of dialog alone is an excellent illustration alone of the overview or simple perspective on skepticism. It shows the reader/listener the basic principle that a sceptic would feel out, being that one should always be reconsidering and remaining unsatisfied with information that is found or provided by outside sources.

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  16. (H2)
    1. Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?
    Committing yourself to something, whether it be a cause, a person, an idea etc., does leave the door open for disappointment to occur. However, commitment is a crucial part of existence. If a person doesn't believe or connect with at least one thing in the world, they become disconnected completely. With everything in life there is the chance of disappointment, if there wasn't, life would have no thrill.

    2. What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?
    I tend to worry about many things. Usually if there's a new experience coming my way that I have to deal with, or a new problem I have to deal with. But I'm slowly learning that not everything is the end of the world, and to not "jump off a cliff" when those things happen.

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    1. I completely agree that to exist we must commit to some thought, person, etc. I would like to add that I find it helpful to fully prepare for new experiences, but it is also great to have a "not the end of the world" mindset.

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  17. (H2)
    What kinds of things do you tend to worry about? What strategies might lessen your worry?

    In my everyday life, I don’t usually stress over many things. However, I do tend to worry about society and the problems that continue to persist within it. Issues such as discrimination, poverty, and even Covid-19 steadily appear in my mind. I wonder how future generations will handle and manage these adversities, especially while society continues to shift. In order to lessen my concerns, I typically try to consider the positives in society and reflect on the continual progress that has been achieved throughout the years. Racism and prejudice, in particular, have declined dramatically over the years, as well as other issues. I think about these accomplishments and how my generation can decrease other problems whenever I begin to worry.

    If the senses sometimes mislead, is the most rational response to mistrust them entirely?

    Although the senses may mislead sometimes, I do not believe it is a rational response to mistrust them entirely. As the question states, the senses only deceive a person sometimes; therefore, other times exist where one’s senses assist or guide them in the right direction. I believe the more sensible alternative is to consider your senses while also weighing in other options that could also benefit and lead you onto a favorable path.

    How much skepticism is appropriate? How much is too much?

    I believe a balance exists for the appropriate amount of skepticism. If someone is skeptical of every detail they are told, that worry could intensify and adversely affect someone. However, blindly following or trusting information given to you could also lead to unfavorable consequences. I believe the perfect balance of skepticism includes receiving information, finding evidence, and drawing conclusions that align with your truth. In addition, allowing yourself to form personal opinions with the information given could also benefit you.

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  18. H01

    I do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment because you are indifferent to any and all outcomes. However, if you are uncommited to everything then there will be no joy when something good happens like winning a philosophical argument.

    It is not possible to believe nothing because you must have some basic beliefs even if the are hidden deep in your mind, but it would be therapeutic to try. It would be like letting go of all other things that you know and care about. It sounds relaxing.

    An example when I was misled by my senses was when I misjudged my car's distance from a mailbox and hit it head on.

    If the senses sometimes mislead, it is not the most rational response to mistrust them entirely. Similary, if a person misspeaks they will still trust themselves enough to continue talking. However, they may now proceed with some caution.

    I worry about getting to places on time and forgetting something important. To lessen my worry, I leave my room very early and I have a triple checked mental checklist of what I need to bring.

    I am skeptical about religion and creation. I do not believe there is a God, so I question how the universe came into being.

    There is a thin line regarding how much scepticism is appropriate. You cannot fully trust anything, but you must trust somethings. There is a happy medium.

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    1. I agree about being skeptical about religion and creation. I try to believe in God/higher power but its hard at times. I like what Professor Oliver mentioned about the philosopher (i forget the name) whos way of seeing God was in nature around them.

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      I also really liked that statement. I find it much more comforting to think about how everything on Earth comes from each other and cannot survive without those interactions. Plus I liked the comment that was made about how if you don't believe in an afterlife it could make you appreciate this life more, knowing that it is the only one you will have.

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  19. H01 How much skepticism is appropriate? Being a skeptic is necessary many times in learning, but I think when someone gets to a point of no longer accepting any answer/opinion to the issue, it becomes a problem.

    I often worry about meaningless things as well as important things in the near future. What I do to make myself feel better is imagine myself existing after that said event is over and assure myself I will get through it, just as I've gotten through everything previously.

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  20. I do not think that withholding commitment decreases disappointment. Disappointment occurs no matter what especially if there is not commitment because people still feel let down. It is not possible to believe nothing because everyone has opinions on something. For example, if someone does not believe in God they believe that there is no God.
    I worry about everything. It doesn't matter if it is under my control or not. I worry all the time and I do not know why. I try to remember that everything will eventually work out to lessen my worry. It helps sometimes but most of the time the worry does not subside until the thing I am worrying about is fixed or over.
    I am skeptical about a lot more than I originally thought. I am skeptical about the people I used to know well. I wonder if they are really truthful because we are no longer close and they have hurt me.

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  21. H01
    Question 2. I do not think it is possible to believe nothing. If you say you don't believe anything then you at least believe that you know nothing... If you deny your instincts, like Pyrrho did, you still feel them and reject them. You have to be aware that you are denying them which means you know that you deny them.

    Study Question 3. Pyrrho visited India when he was younger and the spiritual teachers who endured harsh physical deprivation to find inner stillness inspired him.

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  22. H1
    Pyrrho visited India when he was young. Thid likely influenced his beliefs, as there were many spiritual teachers that took things to the extremes to find inner stillness.
    The opposite of skepticism is dogmatism. A dogmatist is someone confident they know the truth.
    I think it is good to be a little skeptical, however, always being a skeptic and not accepting anything as the truth is extreme.

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  23. H01
    Do you agree that withholding commitment minimizes disappointment?

    That is a complex question dependant on who you think will be disappointing. That is in its own a difficult decision to make. I would say no, withholding committing creates an automatic disappointment in particular cases. For instance marriage, if you were to not commit then are you truly giving your love all you got, disappointment would come to your significant other and potentially your parents. Another case could be arriving to a special event, if you announce your commitment to arrive but later something drastic occurs conflicting your commitment, people would understand compared to you showing the lack of interest.

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