Epicureans and Stoics, LH 4-5; FL 7-8, HWT 6-8
2. How is the modern meaning of "epicurean" different from Epicurus's? Do you consider yourself epicurean in either sense of the term?
3. What famous 20th century philosopher echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death? Do you agree with him?
4. How did Epicurus respond to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife? Is the hypothesis of a punitive and torturous afterlife something you take seriously, as a real possibility? Why or why not?
5. What was the Stoics' basic idea, and what was their aim? Are you generally stoical in life?
6. Why did Cicero think we shouldn't worry about dying? Is his approach less or more worrisome than the Epicureans'?
7. Why didn't Seneca consider life too short? Do you think you make efficient use of your time? How do you think you could do better?
- Have you experienced the death of someone close to you? How did you handle it?
- Do you care about the lives of those who will survive you, after you've died? Is their continued existence an alternate (and possibly better) way of thinking about the concept of an "afterlife"?
- Do you consider Epicurus's disbelief in immortal souls a solution to the problem of dying, or an evasion of it? Do you find the thought of ultimate mortality consoling or mortifying?
- How do you know, or decide, which things you can change and which you can't?
- Were the Stoics right to say we can always control our attitude towards events, even if we can't control events themselves?
- Is it easier for you not to get "worked up" about small things you can't change (like the weather, or bad drivers) or large things (like presidential malfeasance and terrorist atrocites)? Should you be equally calm in the face of both?
- Is it possible to live like a Stoic without becoming cold, heartless, and inhumane?
- What do you think of when you hear the word "therapy"? Do you think philosophers can be good therapists?
- Do you think "the greatest happiness of the greatest number" is an appropriate goal in life? Can it be effectively pursued by those who shun "any direct involvement in public life"?
- If the motion of atoms explains everything, can we be free?
- Is it true that your private thoughts can never be "enslaved"?
Epicureanism: The Original Party School
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Philosophers in this comic: Epictetus. In The Enchiridion Epictetus gives the advice that in order to avoid suffering, we should not become too attached to particular things, so that when they inevitably end we are not caused undue harm. He starts with the fairly straightforward example of a cup that we like breaking:
With regard to whatever objects give you delight, are useful, or are deeply loved, remember to tell yourself of what general nature they are, beginning from the most insignificant things. If, for example, you are fond of a specific ceramic cup, remind yourself that it is only ceramic cups in general of which you are fond. Then, if it breaks, you will not be disturbed.
He then proceeds immediately to what seems a quite more drastic example:
If you kiss your child, or your wife, say that you only kiss things which are human, and thus you will not be disturbed if either of them dies.
Some may find that living in such a way is strange, to say the least.
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Stoicism Man...The Next Great Stoic competition... Stoic apathy
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1.Epicurus believed that the fear of death was based on bad logic and the best way to live was to have a very simple lifestyle, be kind to those around you, and surround yourself with friends. I was once afraid of death but I’ve come to accept that it’s a part of life and I don’t want to spend my time alive worrying about my death. I’d rather appreciate the remaining time I have and make the most of it.
2. The modern meaning of epicurean describes someone who enjoys eating finer foods or a lifestyle of luxury. This differs from what Epicurus believed because he believed having a greedy appetite would create more and more desire which would lead to unfulfillment. Epicurus believed the best way to be happy was to live simpler and in more moderate and realistic terms.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein. I don’t fully agree with him because I think though people may not be able to fully experience their deaths, I do believe many people are at least aware that they are dying in some circumstances.
4. He believed that gods aren’t really interested in their creation, that they exist apart from us and don’t get involved with us so we should be alright. A torturous afterlife is something I take seriously and see as a possibility because I am of Christian faith.
5. Their basic idea was that we should only worry about things we can change, and we shouldn’t get worked up about anything else. I agree in a sense, I believe we should focus only on what we can control.
6. Cicero believed we shouldn’t worry about dying because he believes the soul would live on forever. I believe this belief is less worrisome than the Epicureans because it is a concept most people feel more comfortable excepting. Most people cannot fathom the thought of not existing.
7. Seneca didn’t believe the problem was that life is too short but that the problem is how badly most of us use the time we have. I believe it’s important to make the most of our lives and make every moment count.
8. The author says the cost of stoicism may be that we become cold, heartless, and even less human. I think it’s possible to be stoical and still have empathy for others. I think it’s important to know when being philosophical is useful and when it may not be of use in helping others.
1. Epicurus believed that the fear of death was based on poor logic and reasoning and that the best way to live life was for pleasure and lack of pain. I do not fear death as I see it as inevitable and there is not anything I can change about it. I don't fear the death of others since I am Christian, but I don't like having to wait before seeing them again. I prefer to believe in heaven as it brings peace up until death even if after we die there is nothing.
ReplyDelete2. The modern term epicurean refers to a luxurious way of living filled with many pleasures. Epicurus meant for people to live in a moderate manner subsisting on mainly bread and water. It is believed the former idea came about because of rumors spread by enemies of Epicurus. I do not live either meaning of the word as I find pleasure in food and would rather experience joy and pain rather than giving up pain as well as joy.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein. I do not buy into this thinking since those you love and care for that carry on your memory have to experience it. Many people have to experience not death but dying and in a way that may as well death itself.
4. I believe in an afterlife, but many times I have looked at death from a logical standpoint. It takes more faith to believe there is nothing after death than to believe there is something. For if I am right about the afterlife and I go to heaven I avoid hell and am better for it. If I am wrong and there is nothing then how would I know, who would it affect what downside is there?
5. I consider myself to be stoic in my opinion it is just a better way to be to an extent. Stoicism is to worry about what can be changed but do not fret what is unchangeable.
6. Not existing is not something I like the idea of because we live for experience it whether we like it or not. The idea of just disappearing is not worrisome in of itself once you realize that you wouldn't even exist to know you don't exist. Cicero believed the soul lives on after death.
7. Seneca believed life wasn't too short but people wasted time. personally i think if something makes you happy whether it adds to your success in life or not it cant be considered a waste.
8. The cost of stoicism can be a heartless and cold character. Stoicism is great to an extent as long as you can find a balance.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus said fear of death was based on bad logic and the best way to live was to have a simple lifestyle, avoid pain at all costs, surround yourself with friends, and be kind to others. Me personally I am not afraid of death because I know it happens to everyone at some point and it is something out of my control. However, I am more afraid of losing others close to me because of relationships I built with those people, and it will still affect me while I am present.
2. The modern meaning of epicurean means to enjoy finer things in life and to live a more luxurious lifestyle. I definitely do not consider myself epicurean in the modern-day sense but can relate to some aspects of the original meaning.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death. I do not agree with him because I do believe death is an event in life. I believe death marks the end of your time on Earth which I consider to be the ending event of your life. And if death isn't an event in regard to yourself, your death still leaves an impact on others making it an event in some aspect.
4. Epicurus said to not worry about punishment in the afterlife because God isn't interested in his own creations. I do take a punitive and torturous afterlife to be a possibility if you do not follow the moral principles of what it means to practice the religion of your choosing. Everyone will ''sin'' or make mistakes in life, but when you cross a more serious line such as committing a murder, I do believe there could be punishment in the afterlife for that person.
5. Stoics basic idea of life was to only worry about the things we can change. I would say I am pretty stoical in life because I try to always improve the things, I can make better, and just adapt to the obstacles I face as they arise.
6. Cicero said we shouldn't worry about dying because the sole lives on forever. I would say this approach is less worrisome because it leaves no doubt of your existence after death if you are still able to live through your sole.
7. Seneca didn't consider life too short because there is so much time in life. He said if you make the most of your time life is far from short. I think I make efficient use of my time overall. I try to prioritize the things I hold most value in first and the things I enjoy doing. I think I could make better use of my time when it comes to getting work done because I tend to wait till the last minute on some things.
8. The author said the cost of stoicism is we may become cold, heartless, and less human. I do not think it is possible to consider yourself a true stoic and show the traits of compassion and sensitivity because stoicism is based on not worrying about things you cannot change. It even said in the chapter that you should remain ''unmoved'' by the passing of a close one since it is out of your control.
1.Epicurus argued that fear of death was a waste of time and based on bad logic. It was a state of mind to be overcome. If you think clearly about it, death shouldn’t be frightening at all. Once you get your thinking straight you’ll enjoy your time here much more. I am not afraid of death particularly, just dying before I have experienced an ample part of the universe. I am not afraid of losing others.
ReplyDelete2.Epicurean refers to someone who enjoys the expensive/fancy aspects of life, while Epicurus strictly renounced the finer aspects of life. I am more of a happy medium of the two.
3.Your death won’t be something that happens to you. When it happens you won’t be there. I 100% agree.
4.Epicurus argued that the god’s exist apart from us and are not interested in punishing us after death, perhaps because they did not even care to watch our lives to begin with. I do not take the afterlife particularly seriously, though I do not completely dismiss the concept since I cannot prove otherwise. Particularly because if it were the case that there are beings of higher dimension/power then there is no reason why they would care about us on any significant level. For example, we are more powerful than ants yet, for the most part, we do not care about them – we pave our roads right over them without giving it a second thought. Then on the other hand that if a more powerful creature did create us and for whatever perverted reason they cared about what we do in life and create a special place to torment us because we did not follow one of their silly rules one time; then there is nothing I can do to change that and I must not allow that very slim possibility to haunt me.
5. At the heart of Stoicism was the idea that we are responsible for what we feel and think. We can choose our response to good and bad luck. Stoic’s believe emotions clouded reasoning and damaged judgement. We should not just control them, but wherever possible remove them altogether. Their aim was to remove emotions so that we could make the most logical decsions possible. I try to be a stoic as much as possible, when it seems appropriate.
6. Cicero believed that the soul lived for ever, so that old people shouldn’t worry about dying. Cicero’s attitude was that we should both accept the natural process of growing older and recognize that the attitude we take to that process need not be pessimistic. Since Cicero’s attitude was focused on doing the most with the life you have, I believe it is less worrisome than the Epicureans view.
7. Because there’s so much to do and so little time in which to do it. I think I make the most efficient use of my time in the moment, but hindsight is 20/20. I can definitely improve my efficiency of the time I have by worrying less about the far future and focus more on the present and immediate future.
8. Unfortunately, though, even if you manage to calm your emotions, you may find that you have lost something important. The state of indifference championed by the Stoics may reduce unhappiness in the face of events we can’t control. But the cost might be that we become cold, heartless, and perhaps even less human. If that is the price of achieving calm, it may be too high. It is definitely possible to be stoic and empathetic! Though it takes training to understand when emotions take too much control of the situation and when one is being coldly logical.
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ReplyDelete1.Epicurus believed that the fear of death was based on the fear of not existing. He believed that the best way to live your life was to be content with what you had and surround yourself with people and experiences that make you happy. Essentially, he believed that you should enjoy the little things and it was pointless to live your life wanting more. At one point in my life, I was afraid of death. This fear was not based upon the act of dying or the potential of not existing, but rather a fear of the afterlife. However, at this point in my life I am not afraid of death, I would say I am now more afraid of losing someone I care about. I do not want to experience life without those whom I care about the most.
2.The modern meaning of “epicurean” means to live lavishly. This definition is vastly different than what Epicurus defined it as, which was to live simply. I consider myself a moderate epicurean on the side of the words intended definition. I think I would be much happier if I found beauty in the small moments. A part of me, however, still desires for more than what I have. I constantly strive for more money, more knowledge, and more friends so I am constantly seeking my idea of a happy life in these things.
3.Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus’ attitude towards death. In a sense, I agree with both Ludwig and Epicurus because removing the overall “experience” of death makes the reality a lot less frightening.
4. Epicurus believed that the gods did not concern themselves with their creation, so a fear of the afterlife was not something his followers needed to be afraid of. I personally believe in an afterlife. So, the idea of a tortuous afterlife is one that I take seriously. I was raised on this principle, but I began to question it as I got older. That questioning led me to believe that there was an afterlife.
5.The Stoics’ believed that we can control how we think and feel in any given situation. They aimed to have a calm state of mind and that we should only worry about the things in which we can change. I am not generally a stoic. I tend to worry about things that are out of my control. Whether it’s people, possible situations, or things of the past I feel as if I am constantly worrying. My overall goal in life is to be stoical, because I feel like my overall quality of life will improve.
6. Why did Cicero think we shouldn't worry about dying? Is his approach less or more worrisome than the Epicureans'?
Cicero Believed that our souls lived forever. While our physical bodies might pass away our consciousness would not. I would not say either Cicero’s or Epicureans approach is more worrisome than the other. It all ultimately depends on what you think an afterlife or consciousness after death would be like.
7. Why didn't Seneca consider life too short? Do you think you make efficient use of your time? How do you think you could do better?
Seneca did not consider life too short because he believed that people just wasted the time that they had. Humans could live for a thousand years, yet they would still complain about “life being too short.” Seneca thought that you could accomplish everything you wanted to in life if you put forth the work. Personally, I do not think I have been efficient with my time here on Earth. I waste my time doing things that do not matter and push off the things that will increase my quality of life. I think I could do things that I both enjoy and better me as a person.
8. What does the author say might be the cost of stoicism? Is it possible to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, sensitive to others' suffering, etc.?
The author believes that stoicism could possibly cause someone to be heartless or cold because we are choosing not to experience certain emotions. I think it is possible to be both stoical and caring, compassionate, and sensitive to others sufferings. Calmness is not the absence of these traits but rather peace in the face of uncertainty.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus said the fear of death was "a waste of time and based on bad logic." The best way to live is to overcome your sate of mind and enjoy your time on earth. I am afraid of death because i do not know what going to happen in the after life. I am afraid of losing others because like I said, I do not know what will happen to them when they died.
2. The modern meaning of epicurean loves luxury and sensual pleasure. The old meaning of is simple living and moderation. I would consider myself a epicurean in both definitions.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus. I agree with him because you cant experience death since we are removed from are conscious.
4. He said not to worry about since we are just physical being. I do take it serious because of my religion.
5. Stoics is only worrying about the things we can change. I am in a way because i try not to worry on things that i cannot change.
6. He believed aging is inevitable and we should make the most of our lives. I believe Cicero is a less worrisome because he believe living in moment and don't worry about death.
7. Seneca didn't believe life was to short because it depends on how someone lives their life. most time people live it bad in his mind. I think i am not making the most of my time because i haven't had time to experience life. I feel like when i get a stable job, i will be able to do the things i want to do
8. The cost of stoicism is becoming less human and unhappy. I think there is a possibility to be stoical but compassionate because it just takes mental training to control both emotions.
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ReplyDelete1.Epicurius believed that the fear of death was based on bad logic and the best and easiest way to live was by living a very simple lifestyle. I am not afraid of death, but I am slightly afraid of dying. I am mostly afraid of losing my loved ones.
2.The modern meaning of epicurean means to live lavishly and enjoy the finer things in life and Epicurius believed essentially the direct opposite. Truthfully, I do not consider myself either I think I'm directly in the middle, I live a quite simple life and do not life above my means but i do also enjoy nice things sometimes.
3.Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death. I believe that when you die you will not be there so essentially there is nothing to fear.
4. Epicurus believed that gods do not concern themselves with their creation meaning it's not something we should fear. I believe in an afterlife but not the concept of a heaven or a hell I think its more than that, so the concept of a torturous afterlife is not something I fear.
5. The stoics believed that we control how we think and feel. They believed that we should only worry about things we can personally control. I am not generally stoic I stress over things i cannot control daily.
6. Cicero thought that our souls lived forever the actual human body may pass away but our souls lived forever so we should not fear death. I think his approach is just about equally as worrisome as Epicurus's because I don't want to watch my loved ones experience my death, but I also don't want it to be lights off when I die.
7. Seneca didn't consider life too short because he thought people wasted all the time we have anyways. Regardless of how long we live someone will say "life is too short". I do not think I have been efficient enough with my time here on earth, but I do believe I can do better and am trying to experience something new every day.
8.The author thought that Stoicism could be cause people to be cold, heartless and less human due to choosing not to experience certain emotions. I think it is possible to be stoical and caring.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus believed that thinking of death was bad logic. He believed in a simple lifestyle, being kind to others, and enjoying the moment.I am not worried about death. I am more worried about losing someone. I feel like that would affect me more rather than thinking about my own death.
2. In modern terms epicurean means having luxurious habits. Epicurus definition was definitely different because he believed living a simple life and not needing luxury items because it would make him greedy. I definitely believe in living a simple life but I also enjoy having some luxury.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein was the philosopher that mimicked Epicurus outlook on death. I do not fully agree with him but I agree when they both say that we should not spend out whole lives fearing death.
4. Epicurus believed that the God's were not truly interested in how we lived ours lives. That they should not be worried in an afterlife where they punish you. I believe in afterlife on how I was raised.
5. Stoic's idea was to not worry about everything. Instead worry about the things you can control. I definitely worry in the moment about things I can not control but after some time I do let things go.
6. Cicero believed that we would live forever or at least our souls did even if we are not in a body. I think they both believed in living as fully as possible but it is really up to you to decide if you believe in an afterlife or not.
7. Seneca considered his life long because he used his time wisely. I have never been good with time management but I will continue to learn and I hope to have lived a full life.
8. The author thinks that stoicism can make someone cold or heartless. I think you do have to have a balance of your emotions if you claim to be truly stoical.
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ReplyDelete1. According to Epicurus, fear of death is based on what, and the best way to live is what? Are (or were) you afraid of death, or of dying? Are you more afraid of losing others?
He thought it was bad and a waste of time. The best way to live is to be simple. As a kid, I was really scared of dying. After being diagnosed with my illness, I'm not scared anymore. I would say I'm more afraid of losing others, it's hard not having someone around.
2. How is the modern meaning of "epicurean" different from Epicurus's? Do you consider yourself epicurean in either sense of the term?
It means now about luxury, but the old meaning was to find pleasure in things you have and to be thankful. I consider myself an epicurean in the old meaning, I think mundane and everyday life is fulfilling, because it is comforting and not complex. So, I'm thankful with the small things, like just reading a book.
3. What famous 20th century philosopher echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death? Do you agree with him?
Ludwig Wittgenstein. I agree with him, I also feel people should stop focusing their lives around their fear of death.
4. How did Epicurus respond to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife? Is the hypothesis of a punitive and torturous afterlife something you take seriously, as a real possibility? Why or why not?
He said gods were of a separate world, and that the humans would be fine. I don't take it seriously. I won't put my mind towards something I have no say in.
5. What was the Stoics' basic idea, and what was their aim? Are you generally stoical in life?
To control their emotions, and recognize when things are out of our hands. I feel stoic, it's a good practice to have. But sometimes our emotions get the best of us and that's ok.
6. Why did Cicero think we shouldn't worry about dying? Is his approach less or more worrisome than the Epicureans'?
He said we shouldn't worry about dying because the soul continues after death. I think it's less worrisome, it's a really optimistic perspective and relieving.
7. Why didn't Seneca consider life too short? Do you think you make efficient use of your time? How do you think you could do better?
He thought we had more than enough time but that most people do not use it well. I don't make efficient use of my time. I often lay in my bed and just think. I could do better by ditching the habit, but I don't want to.
8. What does the author say might be the cost of stoicism? Is it possible to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, sensitive to others' suffering, etc.?
We might become indifferent, unsympathetic, and things like that. I think all those things are still possible for a stoic, because they can do something about those emotions.
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1.) According to Epicurus, fear of death is based on bad logic. He states that the best way to live is by becoming content with what is achievable. I fear dying because I am a Christian and fear judgment day. However, I fear losing others because I will miss out on their presence.
2.) The modern meaning of "Epicurean" conveys a lifestyle of luxury while the meaning of it Epicurus' eyes was a life lived with simplicity. I consider myself an Epicurus because I was taught to live a life of content and gratefulness from an early age.
3.) Ludwig Wittgenstein was a famous 20th-century philosopher who echoed Epicurcus's attitude toward death. Wittgenstein's idea of death was genius. You can not be afraid of death since you won't experience your own absence.
4.)Epicurus responded to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife by dismissing it and saying that the gods dont care for us humans. I do not take Epicurus seriously with this statement because In my religion there is a possibility of punishment in the afterlife.
5.) The Stoic's basic idea was that anything that can not be changed was not worth worrying about. I am generally in stoical in life.
6.)Cicero thought that we shouldn't worry about dying because our souls lived on beyond our physical death. I believe that Cicero's approach is less worrisome than Epicureans.
7.) Seneca didn't consider life too short because it depended on what was accomplished. I think that I can do better when it comes to time efficiency. I think that using my free time wisely is something I can work on.
8.) The author says that the cost of stoicism may be becoming less human or becoming cold. I think there is a possibility to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, and sensitive to others' suffering.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus says that the fear of death is based on poor logic, and the best way to live is to have a simple lifestyle surrounded by good people. I’m not afraid of dying or death but I am afraid of getting old and losing others.
2. Being an epicurean today means being a hedonist, someone committed to a life of pleasure. Epicurus believed in living a life of pleasure but not in that way; he explicitly said that the best way to live was to live simply and have simple desires so you don’t get too greedy and feel upset because you want things you can’t have. I would not consider myself an epicurean in either sense, though I wish I could be more like Epicurus (it’s just a hard mindset to get into, though I do try).
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein held a similar attitude towards death as Epicurus, which I agree with. I never thought about death that way before but it makes sense, and thinking about it that way can help people deal with the idea of death.
4. Epicurus stated that the gods didn’t really care about humans and so there is no possibility of eternal damnation. As someone who grew up in a nonreligious household, I have really never believed in either heaven or hell. I just feel like someone made up the whole “life after death” thing to control others and keep them in line through fear (no offense to people who believe in this, I just personally don’t).
5. The Stoics believed that the only things you could always control were your emotions, so it was your responsibility to keep them in line. Their aim was to maintain a calm state of mind. I would definitely not consider myself a stoic, though I would certainly like to be a little more in control of my emotions.
6. Cicero said that we shouldn’t worry about dying because the soul lives forever and in your old age, you can focus on rewarding friendship and conversations. His approach is a little more worrying than that of the Epicureans because some people may take his ideas to the extreme, not taking care of themselves or engaging in risky behavior because death is nothing to fear and there’s life after death anyway.
7. Seneca thought that life was long enough to achieve your goals as long as you don’t procrastinate or waste your time indulging yourself, and most people complain that it’s too short because they don’t work as hard as they should. I try to be efficient and not waste time, but I could do a lot better. I have a tendency to take lazy days when I really could be working on something productive.
8. The author thinks that controlling your emotions to the extent of a Stoic may come at the cost of good emotions, such as happiness, resulting in the loss of humanity. I think that, like everything in life, moderation is important. You can practice Stoicism when things go wrong in life, but you should be able to put that mindset away and be able to be fully compassionate when needed as well.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus believed that it was a waste of time and bad logic to fear death. Based on Epicurus’ philosophy the best way to live was by having a simple lifestyle with simple desires. He believed that if you kept your desires simple then you would be able to achieve all of them. Another good way to live is to be kind to those around you and to surround yourself with friends. I have always been scared of dying. Part of me fears there is nothing beyond our world except darkness while the other part of me thinks that our world is nothing compared to the streets of gold. I am not only afraid of dying but I am afraid of losing my family and friends.
2. The modern Epicurean is someone who desires fine foods, luxuries, and sensual pleasure while the late Epicurus’ believed that being greedy would create more desires and the fashioning of these desires would cause mental anguish and unfulfilled cravings. The late Epicurus believed in living a simple lifestyle with simple and limited desires so that you are capable of achieving all of them. I would consider myself a late Epicurus because I do not focus on the finer things in life. I am happy with my simple possessions and the desires that I do have are easily attainable with hard work and focus.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus’s attitude toward death. Ludwig states that “death is not an event in life” which means that we will not experience our death therefore we do not have anything to fear about dying. I agree with the idea that we will not experience our death, but this point of view does not ease my worry about dying because I am more scared of what happens after death than what happens during death.
4. Epicurus believed the gods were not interested in their creations and they existed apart from us and did not wish to be a part of our world. I am Christian so I believe that if you do not live your life with the appreciation and practice of Christ then you will be sent to Hell through God’s judgment.
5. The Stoics’ basic idea is that you should only worry about the things that you can control and change. They believed that your attitude can be controlled and you should aim to have a calm state of mind even when tragic events happen. I am generally non-stoical in life but I believe that if I were more stoical then I could be happier. I tend to worry and try to control things that I have no control over and this often causes me to experience an anxious state of mind.
6. Cicero believed that the soul lives forever so you do not have to worry about dying. I think that his approach to death could be less and more problematic, it just depends on if you perceive death as a good or bad thing.
7. Seneca did not think that life was too short because he believed that people would waste 1000 years of their lives if they could on useless tasks. Seneca thought that it was best to make the most of your short time alive than to complain about how short of time you have to be alive. I believe that I could do a better job of making efficient use of my time. Most days I just feel like I am running down a checklist of things to get done and that I am just trying to race to the end of it so that I can relax and do things that make me happier. I should try to live in the moment instead of focusing on the future.
8. Through the art of stoicism, you may learn to calm and control your emotions but you can become cold, heartless, and less human. I believe that if you become too stoical then you risk losing the ability to feel emotions altogether. Being immune to emotions may sound appealing to some but without sadness, you would never know what it feels like to be happy, and without happiness you would never know what it would feel like to be sad. In other words, you would never experience the highs and lows of life and you would just be stuck somewhere in the middle.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus believed in living a simple life. Be kind, appreciate your surroundings, don't be a materialist, and seek pleasure. He thought that worrying about death was a idea surrounded on bad logic and over thinking. I do think that this can be a good life style, but it is okay to appreciate some material items.
2.Modern Epicureans love the finer things in life. Epicurus believed that this can make one greedy, and create a unfulfillable desire for things you cannot have. You must let go of desire to be happy.
3.Ludwig Wittgenstein. I think that people can understand that they are dying, so it is reasonable to be a bit scared when the time comes.
4. Gods were not interested in the humans, that they have better things to do than meddle. I think if you worship a god, whoever it may be, they are at least with you in some sense, even if they aren't directly meddling.
5. The idea is to ignore what you cannot change or control, and put all effort into things you can. I think that this can be a very healthy way to live releasing a lot of stress.
6. Cicero believed that the soul lives on forever, so that you dont quiet die but become something new. I think this can be comforting and I believe a soul of everything goes somewhere after physical form deteroriate
7. Seneca believed that we used our time badly, and complain that life is short as an excuse. I do think we should make the most of things while we are here, but also life can indeed be restrictive or short.
8.Stocisim may make us cold to most things, less human. I think dome things are good, like things you cannot control, but I think you can be stoic and try to have empathy. But is it indeed easy to loose sight and become harsh to others to self preserve.
Good evening Jay, great discussion post!
DeleteWe have similar thoughts concerning this book. I really appreciate your response to question 8. I do agree that it is easy to lose sight and become harsh ti others to self-preserve.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus believed that fear of death was based on bad logic and was merely a state of mind to be overcome. Epicurus believed that eliminating suffering was the best way to live. He thought that it was important to have a simple lifestyle, be kind to others, and surround yourself with friends. I am more concerned with losing others than dying.
2. Epicurus wanted to live a simple life. “Epicurean” has devolved into meaning a pleasure-seeker who aims to live extravagantly. I do not consider myself particularly epicurean in either sense of the term, though I’d like to lead a simple life surrounded by friends.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed this view. I do agree with him. Concern about death does seem to be a waste of time.
4. Epicurus dismissed this idea. I do take this possibility seriously.
5. The Stoics believed that we should only worry about things we can change. I’d like to think I’m Stoical in life.
6. Cicero believed that the soul lives forever. His approach is less worrisome than the Epicureans.
7. He didn’t consider life too short, but he thought that humans don’t utilize their time well. I think I’m inefficient with my time.
8. The author thought that depriving ourselves of emotions may make us less human which is a high cost. I think it is possible to be appropriately compassionate and be Stoic. Stoicism doesn’t mean you can’t relate to other people. Stoicism is merely a way of exercising restraint and self-control while also seeking peace in the face of adversity.
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ReplyDeleteQ1. According to Epicurus, fear of death is based on what, and the best way to live is what? Are (or were) you afraid of death, or of dying? Are you more afraid of losing others?
A1. A flawed state of mind. To live your life to the fullest, without worrying about death. No, but I do want to live a life worth living. Yes, losing loved ones is quite difficult on my mind.
Q2. How is the modern meaning of "epicurean" different from Epicurus's? Do you consider yourself epicurean in either sense of the term?
A2. The modern meaning is the complete opposite of what the original meaning was. Yes, I am an originalist. I like to find please in the simple things, like collecting.
Q3. What famous 20th century philosopher echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death? Do you agree with him?
A3. Ludwig Wittgenstein. Yes, it is physically impossible to experience your own death, because you died.
Q4. How did Epicurus respond to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife? Is the hypothesis of a punitive and torturous afterlife something you take seriously, as a real possibility? Why or why not?
A4. The afterlife doesn't exist. No, not at all. I believe in reincarnation and the recycling of matter.
Q5. What was the Stoics' basic idea, and what was their aim? Are you generally stoical in life?
A5. Don't let things out of your control affect you. You can live a happier life this way. I tend to not let the big things out of my control bother me, but the things I can control, I do.
Q6. Why did Cicero think we shouldn't worry about dying? Is his approach less or more worrisome than the Epicureans'?
A6. Because the soul lives forever. They are equal.
Q7. Why didn't Seneca consider life too short? Do you think you make efficient use of your time? How do you think you could do better?
A7. Because you can be very efficient with how you live. Yes, for the most part. My goal is to live with no regrets, not to try to do every little thing. Be more relaxed.
Q8. What does the author say might be the cost of stoicism? Is it possible to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, sensitive to others' suffering, etc.?
A8. To be less human. Yes!!
1. According to Epicurus, the fear of death is based on bad logic. Why should we be scared of something that we won’t even experience? After we die we are gone and don’t feel the emotions steaming from it. Instead we live a simple lifestyle and remember the good things of the past instead of worrying about things out of our control in the future. Im not afraid of dying I just don’t want to lose any loved ones for stupid reasons.
ReplyDelete2. I feel modern ‘epicures’ follow the same basic ethos of pursuing fine things, just in a much more bougie way. I think there’s a line somewhere between having the finest things you can afford for the experience and just using it to display social status. I think I’m definitely both, I just don’t flaunt it all over social media. I get nice things for me, no one else.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein. 100%. The only thing to keep in mind is IT IS an event in other peoples lives. So don’t live a reckless life. The last thing your mom and friends want to do on the weekend is go to your funeral so maybe keep that in mind when making certain choices.
4. The Gods aren’t as interested in their creation as we think they are and there is nothing to be afraid of when we die. I have NO clue what happens when we die, no one does, so I don’t really accept anyones theory because how do they know? I don’t need another person to convince me to treat other people the way I want to be treated.
5. Only worry about the things in life you can change and submit to the ones you can’t. This ethos will lead to a calm state of mind. Attitude is everything. I try to live my life this way. Sometimes procrastination gets in the way of the changes I know I can and should make. Just because we can change things doesn’t mean we can change everything at the same time. The pursuit requires structure and an understanding of your goals.
6. He believed the soul never dies. We need to accept our bodies will one day die and we can’t change that. Whether you’re positive or negative about it is up to you. Its along the same lines of thinking attitude is everything. How do you know the soul never dies? His view is positive but it doesn’t convince me his path is the only way to a positive outlook.
7. He didn’t think life was short, he just believed we waste a lot of it. People can be poor time managers. We spend too much time pursuing things for the wrong reason and sometimes we don’t do anything at all. ‘Pleasure holidays’ and ‘leisure holidays’ are fine, but in-between we have to do the boring things that actually move us towards our goals. I’m a lot better now at managing my time than I used to be but no where near perfect. We just have to take things one step at a time and recognize and remove bad habits.
8. He suggests when we realize the things we can’t control, it’s harder to empathize with others and we appear less human. I think you can be both stoic and compassionate. If you can make someone feel a little better by showing them empathy, thats positive change. That person is closer to acceptance even if it’s just a little bit. If you’ve had a lot of experiences - as the second chapter suggests you should pursue - this shouldn’t be too hard.The toxic side is if you’re judged negatively because of your calmness. Maybe it’s time to move in a new direction.
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1. Epicurus believed that the fear of death was based on bad logic, and it was a state of mind to overcome. The best way to live is to seek pleasure and avoid pain whenever we can. I was once scared of what comes after death, but now I only worry about losing others I would not say I fear it is a part of life. The thought of losing someone else makes me feel lonely even if its hypothetical.
2. The modern definition of Epicurean is often referred to as those who live a lavish luxurious lifestyle. I would have to relate more to the newer Epicurean perspective more than the older version, although I see no value in an insane luxury house, cars, and clothes, but I do believe if you have the urge to enjoy your time here then to do so.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death, I do agree. I do not think we will even remember our death, nor physically experience unless some unfortunate scenario someone is to suffer before their death that you will feel for a brief moment.
4. Epicurus thought that God did not mingle with the human creation, that delivered him and his students from fear of the afterlife. As for my views on the afterlife I do not have a firm opinion as of right now, I'm not sure what happens after death, but I do know life goes on.
5. The basic message stoics would try to push upon folks is the idea of not stressing or worrying over what's out of our control.
I would say I am stoic in life.
6. Cicero believed that the soul would live on forever, his approach is less worrisome than the Epicurean belief.
7. Seneca would say life was short for those who make poor decisions with their time here. I think I make great use of my time, if I could critic myself, I would say I need more physical training like my body has been used to.
8. The author said that the cost of stoicism would be that we become cold, heartless, and perhaps even less human. I believe it to possible to be both a stoic and have compassion for others pain and suffering, but that does not give you permission to wallow in pain and self-pity.
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1. Considered atheist. Men of science using it to discover the truth of this world and our place in it.
2. Johnathan Edwards was a Christian thinker out of Massachusetts. He was similar to Anne Hutchinson in the way he felt and believed what he heard the lord say, even though the people and churches of his time were all against it, he believed it to be true, so it was so.
3. John Wesely was a European Preacher born in Europe, but started his sermons in Savannah, Georgia. He demanded that his church followers as thinking adults were obliged to abandon skepticism, declare themselves true believers, and feel "the spirit of God immediately and directly."
4. George Whitefield was the successor of John Wesely. He was very emotional and expressive in his sermons, considered to have a rock n' roll type lifestyle, whatever that means for a preacher. He implanted the terms of art, and enabling an intense supernatural feeling of being born again was the ticket.
5. Thomas Jefferson told his nephew, "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
6. Sapere Aude! or dare to know. Have courage to use your own understanding.
- When I first lost a friend I cried and asked why, after a while I began to celebrate them getting called to heaven, then I started to ponder on the requirements for acceptance into heaven. Now I celebrate that they are no longer here suffering.
1. Epicurious believed that there was no need to think about it because it was all bad logic. How it’s a fear that should be conquered and you will be fine. For me I think the idea of death is what scares people the most. It’s the idea that once you die the world will still turn just not yours
ReplyDelete2. The word epicurean meant the complete opposite to Epicurious because the word epicurean meant living a lavish lifestyle. I would relate more to Epicurious’s definition because that kind of life style is very familiar with me.
3. The person was John Wesley he believed skepticism is not the way to live life, and to have hope on believing what it is they see to trust themselves more.
4. He believed that it was not something to worry about how the gods did not really care about what they did to there creations. I believe depending on what religion you are may have a different response from others
5. There ideas were to face any tough situation head on and how underneath any circumstances do whatever it takes. I don’t particular agree with this because doing this may permanently have a negative effect.
6. He believed that it was a natural process and how no matter what you could do. There is nothing in order to prevent it from happening it’s inevitable.
1. He said that fear of death is based on bad logic and the best way to live is to live a simple lifestyle. I am afraid of dying while I am still young, not so much dying when I am old. Losing others would have more of an impact on me than dying because if I am dead then I would not be around to mourn the passing of others.
ReplyDelete2. The modern meaning refers to those who life a lavish lifestyle and have expensive tastes. This goes directly against what Epicurus believed and stood for. I do not consider myself an epicurean in either sense. I guess my life could be considered simple but I am not going out of my way to make it so.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death. I do agree with their ideas, the fact is that it is not death that I fear but rather the act of dying painfully. If I am dead I will not be around to comprehend that I am dead.
4. Epicurus said that any higher Gods would have no interest in punishing dead people, they are of no concern. I was raised to believe that there is a torturous afterlife for those who do not live their life a certain way, but as I have grown older I do not believe that much anymore.
5. The stoics basic idea was not to worry about the things of which you cannot control. Their aim was to eliminate all worry or anger from within to reach a zen state of not worrying about anything and just going with the flow. I guess I try to be stoical as much as I can, but as a human I have emotions and I frequently get angry or upset by things that I can't necessarily control.
6. He said not to worry about death because he believed that the soul lived on forever. This approach is more worrisome than the Epicureans' in my opinion. The idea of your soul living on forever does not sound as appealing or peaceful as permanent non-existence, especially when there is the possibility of your soul being sent somewhere not pleasant.
7. He did not see life as being too short he just thought that people were not using their time wisely. I think I use my time wisely but there are definitely times where I choose leisure over accomplishing something that I have been meaning to accomplish.
8. The cost of stoicism is becoming less human because of the emotions you refuse to feel. I think it is definitely possible to have a stoical approach to life while still showing compassion to others. Just don't let little things you can't control bother you while still being a person of good character.
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ReplyDelete1. They believed there was no need to fear it because it was based on bad logic, and that it was just a state of mind that needed to be conquered. I would say i am afraid of death and more afraid of losing others because no one knows what's after.
2. The modern meaning of epicure is to want to live a very lavish and luxurious lifestyle. I would relate to the newer epicurean slightly because i do enjoy doing nicer things every once in awhile.
3. The person who echoed the thoughts was Ludwig Wittgenstein, I do partially agree that worrying about our death is a waste of time and energy because i think it may be impossible to remember your death
4. They believed gods did not care for their own creations. I do not have a theory for the afterlife because no one knows what happens.
5. The basic idea that stoics would try to get others to understand would to not stress yourself over the things you do can not change.
6. He believed that the soul will live on forever, which could make it easier for some people not to worry about death if they followed this.
7. He believed that we wasted our time and that life isn't short. I feel as if i use my time well and that i am trying to live my life to the fullest as best as i can, and if i could be a little better with my time i would probably try to spend more of it with my family.
8. The author does say that being stoic could make you seem less human due to the fact that you are not worrying about the things you can not change which could make you seem like you lack empathy. I do believe you can be stoic and compassionate
LHP#11
ReplyDelete1. He said that the fear of death is based on bad logic. He also mentioned that the best way to live is to not dwell on the bad things that could happen. I think at least in my opinion we all fear death because we don’t know how it will feel or what we might experience afterwards. Personally I fear that there will nothing in the afterlife. I think I am more afraid of losing others like my family and close friends. It would be a lot more painful when you are alive to experience it.
2. The modern meaning of “epicurean” is the meaning of today. He taught the need to be moderate. I think I would mostly be Epicurus’s version of an epicurean. You need to have some self control in life and shouldn’t give into all the temptations.
3. The famous philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein disagreed with Epicurus’s attitude towards death. He argued that death is not an event in life. Our death is the own removal of the choice of experiences.Id like to think that Epicurus is wrong in a sense but there is always a possibility he’s right.
4. Epicurus believed that there is a risk of punishment after life. I do take this seriously but we are never sure if it’s a real possibility. Myself, I strive to be a better person if there is an ending that might turn bad if I make a huge mistake.
5. The stoics basic idea was we should only worry about the things we can manipulate and change. They aimed for a state of calmness and relaxed aura. I do believe I am stoical in life. It’s almost the definition of “laid back” and I tend to not worry about much. Everything will work itself out even if it’s in a bad way.
6. He recognized that aging is a natural process and it shouldn’t be feared. They believed that the should make the best of our little time here. They believed that souls lived forever. I find this to be less worrisome than Epicureans. We shouldn’t fear getting older because we still have a lot to learn and more stories to tell.
7. He thought we shouldn’t think that life is to short and rather change it to what can we do to make the most of it. People waste their life away if you don’t see it that way and it’s certainly long enough to get a lot done. If we can change our mindset to be productive then I think this would be very efficient. I think myself, I could stop second guessing myself about risky or scary situations and just go for it. Find fun things to do then rather just watching tv or scrolling through instagram or social media.
8. The author mentions by practicing this you might loose some other treats or emotions. I feel like if you choose to be stoical there can be a nice balance between your emotions to care for things and be happy.
Section #11
ReplyDelete1. According to Epicurus, fear of death is based on what, and the best way to live is what? Are (or were) you afraid of death, or of dying? Are you more afraid of losing others?
According to Epicurus fear of death is based on bad logic and the best way to live is to live like you're not dying, not worrying about what happens and just to live. I was afraid of death but then some people close to me passed away and I've realized that death is just a scary monster under the bed. It's something that is never going to go away but you don't have to be scared, you grow out of it.
2. How is the modern meaning of "epicurean" different from Epicurus's? Do you consider yourself epicurean in either sense of the term?
The modern meaning of epicurean is different because now it means to live a more luxury lifestyle while the original was a much more simpler life, I find myself to be more old school, since I much rather live a more simple life than rather a expensive worrying life.
3. What famous 20th century philosopher echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death? Do you agree with him?
Ludwig Wittenstein, I do because not many people imagine their own death, especially since you can't experience your own death and so on.
4. How did Epicurus respond to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife? Is the hypothesis of a punitive and torturous afterlife something you take seriously, as a real possibility? Why or why not?
Epircurus responded to the idea of divine punishment that they aren't interested in them, since they are in another world and they never get involved. I try not too, I feel like why is there punishment after death, everything in life is so subjective how could just one deity control so many souls after death.
5. What was the Stoics' basic idea, and what was their aim? Are you generally stoical in life?
That you shouldn't worry about what you can't change, that we are basically responsible for what we feel and think. I think I try to be stoic, to not worry, but sometimes I worry about the little things, so im not fully stoic.
6. Why did Cicero think we shouldn't worry about dying? Is his approach less or more worrisome than the Epicureans'?
He believed our souls lived forever and that people shouldn't worry about getting old, because its a part of live. Its is less worrisome because it's true there is nothing you can do about getting older.
7. Why didn't Seneca consider life too short? Do you think you make efficient use of your time? How do you think you could do better?
He didn't consider it short he just thought too many people didn't use it to their fullest. I do not make efficient use of my time, which I want to change, I want to be able to do much more, and change some things.
8. What does the author say might be the cost of stoicism? Is it possible to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, sensitive to others' suffering, etc.?
Our emotions might be the cost of stoicism, since to be stoic you must cut of almost all you emotions, since you must cut off some, you have to cut off all of them. I think to be fully stoic you must cut off all emotions, if you don't want bad ones you can't have other ones.
1.Epicurus’s philosophy was based on living practically, avoiding pain, and seeking pleasure. He believed the best way to live was to have a simple life, be kind, and surrounded by friends. He deemed fearing death as very impractical and a waste of time. He believed the best way to live was to have a simple life, be kind, and surrounded by friends. I don’t necessarily fear death itself but I’m more afraid of the potential physical pain that could happen before dying. I watch a lot of true crime videos which makes me more wary of how other people could harm me and end my life. I’m mostly hopeful I will die peacefully in my sleep. I’m not too afraid of losing others. It’s not something I think about often, but if it were to happen, I’m sure I'll feel upset. I just don’t tend to ponder on things like that, that won’t necessarily happen.
ReplyDelete2.Modern Epicurean ideas are based on the idea of luxury; lifestyles similar to celebrities and extremely indulging in pleasures. Most celebrities show elaborate parties, foods, luxury items etc. These such things have left many to desire that lifestyle. This is very different from Epicurus’s original teaching which centered on a simple lifestyle. Though both do emphasize one’s pleasures, he stressed that simplicity would get rid of a sense of wanting. I do enjoy treating myself to something nice occasionally, but never to the extent of modern epicureans. I lean more towards Epicurus’s original teaching because of the simplicity. I prefer having a casual lunch with a close friend than going out to party with all my friends, but I find both enjoyable in moderation.
3.Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus’s viewed on death, stating that death is not something we can experience but simply the removal of the ability to experience that we cannot be conscious of. His logic makes sense; however, I don’t necessarily agree with him. I do believe we experience things through our body so death would be taking that ability away. Where I somewhat disagreed is not being conscious of anything after. The idea of witnessing life from somewhere else after we death is something I like to believe is true and hope for.
4.Epicurus believed that before life and after death our consciousness isn’t there to experience so it’s not entirely a concern. He also believed that the gods don’t care for their creations, people, enough to need to punish us after death. I can somewhat agree with him because I don’t believe in eternal punishment. The idea is absurd to me. If the gods were powerful enough to create a punishment for us, then I feel like they would be here actively threatening us with it. Instead of a god, however, it’s just people threatening other people with a punish and to me it’s just useless bickering. Because at the end of the day no one really knows for sure.
5.The basic idea of stoics was to not worry about things one cannot change. By implementing this they aimed to achieve a calm state of mind. I can agree with this kind of idea. In most situations I try to focus on things I can control but I don’t try not to worry about things I cannot change. I prefer to act in a situation like in the example of the rain I would just bring out umbrella instead of being mad about the rain. I only think about what I can’t change when I’m thinking about how to act in a situation, it’s simply a passing thought. So, I could say I can be generally stoic in life.
6.Cicero believed death is a natural process and therefore something we should accept and not fear. His approach to life was optimistic and busy. By keeping the mind and body exercised, he believed old age didn’t have to be unbearable. To compare in epicurean lifestyle, its entirely more indulgent and borderline reckless behavior towards one’s wants to achieve a happy life. This lifestyle can sometimes be associated with youth and fear of losing youth. Cicero philosophy emphasizes the acceptance of old age, not fear, and a determination to enjoy life. His approach seems far less worrisome because of his ideas towards death and acceptance.
7.Seneca thought that people believed life is too short because they don’t make the most of it. His philosophy stressed making the most of one’s time. I believe you can only make the most of your time if you have a set goal or dreams. A lot of people don’t necessarily know what they want to do in life. Therefore, long term some might not be making the most of their time. As for my college experience, I’m learning what the requirements for my classes are and what takes the longest for me to do to the best of my ability. In that sense I am making the most of my time, but I do struggle to find time for myself.
Delete8.The author believes that stoicism could cause us to become heartless and cold which would cause us to lose some humanity. Their main philosophy is to not worry about things we can’t control. It’s known we can’t control tragic events or people’s emotions. I don’t believe you can follow stoicism and be able to sympathy for other when you’re taught not to worry. However, with this theology it’s possible to still be able to comfort others while having no attachment to their situation.
1. According to Epicurus, fear of death is based on bad logic, and the best way to live is to have a simple lifestyle and surround yourself with friends. I am not afraid of my own death, but I do dread the deaths of those I love.
ReplyDelete2. The modern meaning of epicurean is someone who indulges in expensive things in life and lives lavishly, but Epicurus's teaching was the opposite. I wouldn't consider myself to be epicurean in either meaning, but I think I am somewhere in the middle.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death. I think we can experience our death, but not everyone does. For example, you could get shot and left out to slowly bleed out and die, or you could just peacefully pass away in your sleep.
4. Epicurus responded to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife by saying the gods aren't concerned about humans. The hypothesis of a punitive and torturous afterlife is something I take seriously, as a real possibility because I believe in God and that there is a Heaven and hell, but I am not worried that I will go to hell because of my faith.
5. The Stoics' basic idea was we should only worry about things we can control, and their aim was for a calm state of mind. I am not generally stoical in life, but I am trying to worry less about what I cannot control.
6. Cicero thought we shouldn't worry about dying because the soul lives forever. His approach was more worrisome than the Epicureans' because he actually thought of death, but I don't either are necessarily something to worry about.
7. Seneca didn't consider life too short because it was more an issue of poor time management. I think I make efficient use of my time, but I could do better about living in the moment instead of worrying about things I can't control.
8. The author says becoming cold and heartless might be the cost of stoicism. I think it is possible to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, sensitive to others' suffering, etc. if you don't take a 100% stoical approach to life.
1. Epicurus believed that fear of death was based on bad logic and the best way to live with it is by imagining life before you were introduced to it. I am not afraid of death, but I am afraid of losing other people to death.
ReplyDelete2. The modern definition of epicurean is closest to the definition of greed, but the origin of the definition is more like therapy. I consider myself an epicurean of some sort; however I will eat more than just bread and water.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein, yes I do agree.
4. Epicurus believed that when you die you die. There is no feeling when you die you simply are gone and are left to be grived. I believe the same thing there is no “afterlife” such as heAvenue or hell.
5. Stocks aim to not worry about the timing they can not control, as many philosophers agree with this statement. I also agree that love hands us many tribal events that effect us but we dint have to let them ruin our perspective of life.
6. Cicero thought we should worry about dying because our souls are still alive. His approach is less worrisome than that of Epicurus, because he gives his followers a little hope for more.
7. Seneca didnt consider life short because he believes that if you use your time gracefully that you wombat have any regrets for not doing what could’ve been done. I am still learning to make effiecent use of my time, I could use more time studying and learning than scrolling on my phone.
8. The cost of stoictism is that in return you can become heartless or inhumane. I believe that it is possible to be a stoic without hurting those around you, I believe you can be compassionate while not letting the little horrors of life effect you drastically.
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ReplyDelete1. According to Epicurus, the fear of death was based on bad logic. The best way to live is to make the best of life and have good memories to look back on. To also live a simple life because then you will not long for more unattainable things. I am not scared of death itself, but of the unknown of what happens when you die. I am scared of what becomes of me when I am no longer here.
2. The modern day meaning of "epicurean" means to lounge all day and eat or drink luxury items. The real meaning for "epicurean" is to live a simple life and never want too much or you will live an unfulfilled life. I can say I am both the now and late meaning of "epicurean" because I think simple things, but I do like to now and again treat myself to something nice.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death. I do agree with him because it is not an event that you will experience, but the people around you that experience it.
4. Epicurus said that divine punishment will not happen in the afterlife because the gods are too busy to worry about their creations and that they did not interfere in our world. I do not believe in this punishment in the afterlife because I think this idea of divine punishment is a scare tactic.
5. Do not worry about the things you cannot control. You can control your emotions and thoughts about the things you cannot control. I try to not worry about the things I cannot control, but I am a big worrier.
6. Cicero believed that souls live forever, so we should not worry about death. I believe they are same level of worrisome just depends on your outlook.
7. Seneca did not consider life too short because he thought that we waste the majority of our lives and even if we had longer lives that we would still waste it. I do think I waste my time on things that I cannot control and I could improve by letting things go.
8. The author says that you could lose your humanity and I think it is hard to be both, but not impossible. It just depends on your outlook on life and if you are willing to relate to others.
Section 11- In-Class Discussion Summary
ReplyDeleteWe all had pretty similar thoughts and ideas on the reading. We all pretty much agreed that we would not be able to live in a community that shares everything and lives off of what they can provide themselves. I personally enjoy having things that would be considered luxurious and I do not think I could give a lot of those things up.
Class Disscusion: Our discussion with my fellow classmate is with the the living together with community with like minded people, would be not a great fit for us and including my self, I do mind sharing my belongings and my space. I prefer to live more than a simple life, I like to have nice things. With death I do fear death and I am scared of it but I do not let it affect my day to day daily life. When it comes to things happening with out my control I do get in my feelings about it but even ally I let it go and move on in life.
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Delete#11 Class discussion: Most agreed that living a community would not be favored over an independent life. Always being around people with very similar mindsets would most likely mentally cap your abilities to think freely. Choosing rather to live a more simple life. Most also agreed that stoicism should only be practiced to an extent. I believe death should not be feared since it is a certainty and life should be seen as a gift.
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ReplyDeletein-class summary: most of us agreed on that we would rather live in the new meaning rather than how Epicurus lived in a community. Instead of living in a community and sharing jobs we would rather be more independent. We also agreed that when it come too Stoicism that we could worry about what we can not control but eventually we would move on and not dwell on it. We also agreed that living in the modern epicurean was better then to just live the simplest that you could. I personally enjoy traveling and just living simply would take away that luxury. All of us discussed and agreed that we should not fear death and instead we should just live our fullest life. I think that someone we love passing away would affect us more than us thinking about our own death.
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Most of us agreed with living the new Epicurus way compared to the more simple way, while living too luxurious could be bad, having things and living in the moment is better then having the bare minimum, its like how a lot of poor people are not happy because they want more in life, of course after their basic needs are meet. In this day and age many people strive for greatness and luxury so many people want to achieve it. As well as we would not want to all live in the same house, it would almost be like a cult, since we all would have the same opinion and there would be no allowance for another. Another thing we discussed was being stoic, and how some of us aren't because we would be upset in the moment but we would slowly get over it. But I also think some of us would be since its something we can't change, so why be upset like if it was raining why be upset, its the weather, we can change it. We all agree that death is not scary because it's nothing we can change, it is a factor that will happen to some point to ourselves or to others around us. We also tried to fix the Tv it was unsuccessful we think this is definitely an IT problem.
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ReplyDelete1. epicurus says death and the fear of it is bad logic, and that you should, to cope with it, think about life's good memories. I am not necessarily afraid of death, but it is so unknown that I don't like to think about it. I end up confused.
2. Modern epicureanism is a life of luxury, whereas its actual meaning is to live a life that is meaningful, fun, and fulfilling in every way. I try to live out epicureanism, though I have expectations in life that cannot be fulfilled without a bit of work.
3. wittgenstein said that death is similar to what epicurus says, but it is different in that it isn't an gained experience, but a lost ability to do so. I kind of agree, though I believe that there is a place beyond death that I will be going to.
4. epicurus said that gods do not care enough about humans to consider them individually after death and send them somewhere respective to how they lived their life. I believe this is wrong, and I am a christian, and you know what that entails.
5. stoicism focused on only attempting to change what is in your ability to change, and not worrying about those things that are not. I am in a way a stoic, because I do not worry myself with things super high up the chain that I in no way shape or form can control, but I am also not, because there are many things I cannot change that I do worry about. Weather, traffic, etc.
6. Cicero believed the soul lives on after death. This is a much better approach to death, because it gives people hope that death isnt just some abstract concept of nothingness that is beyond nothingness.
7. Seneca believed that people wasted their lives, and that, given more time, they would just continue to waste it. I do believe I waste time, but I dont ever really think of it as a waste. Sure, I may live a bit too much of it in a screen, but I still gather memories and experiences and enjoy myself as I do it.
8. THey say stoicism may cause dissassociation with emotions, but I believe, while it is very possible I am wrong, stoics where not disassociated, but rather uncaring about what didnt effect them. It isnt a lack of sympathy, but rather a lack of worry.
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1. According to Epicurus, fear of death is based on what, and the best way to live is what? Are (or were) you afraid of death, or of dying? Are you more afraid of losing others?
Epicurus believed that fear of death just based on a lack of good logic and the best way to live is simply, be a beacon of kindness and sound yourself with people that you love. Personally, I’m not afraid of death and maybe this is selfish but I hate the idea of people I love mourning for me. I don't want them to be sad over my absence.
2. How is the modern meaning of "epicurean" different from Epicurus's? Do you consider yourself epicurean in either sense of the term?
Epicurean now mostly means an enjoyer of finer things. The difference between then and now is that epicurus more thought that we should do things that make us happy and the people around us happy.
3. What famous 20th century philosopher echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death? Do you agree with him?
He is Ludwig Wittgenstein. And I think that I agree, when we physically die we will not be experiencing it
4. How did Epicurus respond to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife? Is the hypothesis of a punitive and torturous afterlife something you take seriously, as a real possibility? Why or why not?
He believed that if there are gods they would find no interest in us, they exist elsewhere apart from us. Personally I think it is possible, there no absolute way to determine what the afterlife will be like if any but personally i think that there definitely will be something
5. What was the Stoics' basic idea, and what was their aim? Are you generally stoical in life?
Only worry about things that we can change, thus, if we cant fix it why worry about it. For me personally ide say I live like that to a degree but I would call it more laziness than anything. I think that there is always a way to change the circumstances of our environment
6. Why did Cicero think we shouldn't worry about dying? Is his approach less or more worrisome than the Epicureans'?
He thought that souls would live on forever. I think it is less worrisome because most people are generally willing to accept that something happens after death.
7. Why didn't Seneca consider life too short? Do you think you make efficient use of your time? How do you think you could do better?
He didnt think it was too short, he thought that it was strictly determined by how we used the time we were given. I think that typically I make good use of my time in relation to the things that control my life right now. However, I do think it would be nice to change the focus towards better things soon.
8. What does the author say might be the cost of stoicism? Is it possible to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, sensitive to others' suffering, etc.?
He says that the cost may be becoming a heartless shell of a human life. I think that it is possible to be all those things though, because they are all things that can be controlled.
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1.According to Epicurus, fear of death was based on bad logic, and was a waste of time. He states the best way to live is to seek pleasure and avoid pain at all costs. I used to be afraid of death, but I find that as I get older, I fear more practical things, like living an unfulfilling life, or being unhappy with the rest of my days.
2. The modern meaning of “epicurean” is someone who lives a very materialistic and luxurious life, who values objects and gluttonous pleasures in life aside from the little things and the simple pleasures in life. I consider myself an epicurean in the original sense, since I often find myself being happier when I enjoy the “smaller” things in life.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death in his own works, I agree with him since I think lingering on the fear of death only keeps you from fully enjoying your life.
4. Epicurus dismissed the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife and says to not worry, the gods do not pay attention to their creation and exist from outside of us. I do not believe in an afterlife in the sense that we are going to suffer from some sort of “eternal damnation” or “hell”, I think after death there is simply nothing, and these “punishments”, are the ones that we experience here when we are alive.
5. A stoic’s basic idea is that you should not stress about the things in life that you cannot change. Their aim was to create a calmer state of mind. I am generally stoical in life but not as extreme as the stoics in that era. I try to not stress on things that I can't change, but I still do because it's very impractical and almost impossible to not worry about things that you can't change.
6.Cicero thought we shouldn’t worry about dying since the soul lives on forever. His approach is less worrisome than the epicureans since its less harsh and it alleviates the fear of this idea of “divine punishment” or nothingness after death.
7. Seneca didn’t consider life too short since he saw the way people use their time in life and he saw that a lot of us seem to waste our time here on earth. I think that I make an efficient use of my time, but I could definitely do better and spend more time pursuing things that I actually enjoy and that make me happy instead of the tasks that I have to do.
8. The author says the cost of stoicism is becoming colder or “heartless”. It is possible to be stoical and compassionate at the same time, you can acknowledge that a terrible situation cannot be helped, or changed, but you can also be sympathetic towards the situation.
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ReplyDelete1. Epicurus believed the fear of death was based on bad logic where people assume that death is a part of life, something that will be felt by the one who is deceased. He thought the best way to live life was to see it as nonexistent and view it as people view the time before life. Once one comes to this conclusion, they live a better-quality life in a simple, undesiring fashion. I am not afraid of death because I believe in an afterlife but am concerned to lose others and be left alone.
2.Epicurean in modern context means one who indulges in the pleasures of life contradictory of Epicurus' teaching of simplicity. I do believe that a simpler lifestyle is favorable and more rewarding being able to enjoy the smaller parts of life that most overlook so I would agree more with the original teaching.
3. Ludwig Wittgenstein echoed his teaching in the 20th century. I agree that death is not something to stress over since it will happen at some point but do realize that most people aren't afraid of death itself but more so of that preventing further experiences of life.
4. He believed that the gods lived apart from us and do not condemn us for our lives on earth. I do believe in an afterlife and think eternal punishment is possible after I am dead because of the teaching of the Bible and the accounts through history that prove its truth.
5. Stoics believed that we can only truly control our thoughts and emotions and should not be affected by things outside our control. I relate more to stoics since I think people tend to think they have more power than they do. If I know I can't control something or think that it would cause more pain than it's worth, I accept it for what it is and move on.
6. Cicero believed in an afterlife and physical death was nothing to worry about because there was more beyond this world. For some it would be more worrisome since that means there is a chance of damnation, but for others it is less so since that means there is an everlasting world of grace.
7. Seneca said that there is plenty of time to do everything we want in this life but most that complain it's too short have squandered it away and not been productive. I think I am more efficient than most nowadays with my time but could improve it by watching less TV.
8. The author said the cost of stoicism might be becoming less human and cold. I think it's possible to be stoic and compassionate since changing your mood to lift others is in your power and just because you accept life for what it is doesn't mean you have to get in a shell. You could have a terrible day but keep a positive attitude.
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1. According to Epicurus, fear of death is based on what, and the best way to live is what? Are (or were) you afraid of death, or of dying? Are you more afraid of losing others?
He stated that people see it as something that they will feel, and he believes the best way to live is to think if it like you would the time before life. I am not afraid of death, though I do not want to die anytime soon. I am afraid of losing others, though.
2. How is the modern meaning of "epicurean" different from Epicurus's? Do you consider yourself epicurean in either sense of the term?
People who take pleasure in materialistic things. I do take pleasure in those things, but I also appreciate the smaller things in life as well.
3. What famous 20th century philosopher echoed Epicurus's attitude towards death? Do you agree with him?
Ludwig Wittgenstein. I agree that death shouldn’t be something you’re stuck up on. It will happen, so enjoy life and stop worrying about it. Especially earlier in life.
4. How did Epicurus respond to the idea of divine punishment in the afterlife? Is the hypothesis of a punitive and torturous afterlife something you take seriously, as a real possibility? Why or why not?
He believed gods lived separately and didn’t punish for the life lived on earth. I personally do not believe in an afterlife, thought it is an interesting concept and I wouldn’t be upset to find out there is one.
5. What was the Stoics' basic idea, and what was their aim? Are you generally stoical in life?
Stoics believe that you shouldn’t worry about things that are natural or out of your control. I think if not taken to the extreme it is good, because people tend to get upset by things that are completely out of their control.
6. Why did Cicero think we shouldn't worry about dying? Is his approach less or more worrisome than the Epicureans'?
He believed why worry when there is an afterlife? I think it is less worrying.
7. Why didn't Seneca consider life too short? Do you think you make efficient use of your time? How do you think you could do better?
He believed most spend their time poorly, and there is in fact enough time to do everything you desire. I’d have to agree, I think if people stopped caring what others thought and just did what they wanted most could do what they want to in 70-100 years of life.
8. What does the author say might be the cost of stoicism? Is it possible to be stoical but also appropriately compassionate, caring, sensitive to others' suffering, etc.?
He’s saying it would make you cold and dull. This is true, but I think you can still be a positive person to others and to life in general. You could also choose to be boring and cold, up to the person.