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Thursday, September 9, 2021

Questions Sep 13/14

 LH

1. How did Augustine "solve" the problem of evil in his younger days, and then after his conversion to Christianity? Why wasn't it such a problem for him originally?

2. What does Boethius not mention about himself in The Consolation of Philosophy?

3. Boethius' "recollection of ideas" can be traced back to what philosopher?

4. What uniquely self-validating idea did Anselm say we have?

5. Gaunilo criticized Anselm's reasoning using what example?

6. What was Aquinas' 2nd Way?

Discussion Questions
  • [Add your own DQs]
  • Would the existence of evil equivalent to good, without guarantees of tthe inevitable triiumph of the latter, solve the problem of suffering?
  • Why do you think Boethius didn't write "The Consolation of Christianity"? 
  • Do you think you have a clear idea of what it would mean for there to be an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good supernatural being?
  • Do you think knowledge is really a form of remembering or recollection? Have we just forgotten what we knew?
  • Is there a difference between an uncaused cause (or unmoved mover) and a god?
  • Which is the more plausible explanation of the extent of gratuitous suffering in the world, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?
  • Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence? Why or why not?
  • What do you think of the Manichean idea that an "evil God created the earth and emtombed our souls in the prisons of our bodies"? (Dream of Reason 392)
  • Do you agree with Augustine about "the main message of Christianity...that man needs a great deal of help"? (DR 395). If so, must "help" take the form of supernatural salvation? If not, what do you think the message is? What kind of help do we need?
  • What do you think of Boethius' proposed solution to the puzzle of free will, that from a divine point of view there's no difference between past, present, and future? 402
  • Did Russell "demolish" Anselm's ontological argument? (See below)
  • COMMENT: “The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.” Carl Sagan
  • COMMENT: “Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”  Carl Sagan
  • If you were falsely imprisoned, tortured, and scheduled for execution, would you be able to achieve "consolation"? How?
  • Can the definition of a word prove anything about the world?
  • Is theoretical simplicity always better, even if the universe is complex?
  • Does the possibility of other worlds somehow diminish humanity? 
  • How does the definition of God as omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good make it harder to account for evil and suffering in the world? Would it be better to believe in a lesser god, or no god at all?
  • Can you explain the concept of Original Sin? Do you think you understand it?
  • Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?
  • Does the concept of a never-ending struggle between good and evil appeal to you? Does it make sense, in the light of whatever else you believe? Would there be anything "wrong" with a world in which good was already triumphant, happiness for all already secured, kindness and compassion unrivaled by hatred and cruelty?
  • Do you find the concept of Original Sin compelling, difficult, unfair, or dubious? In general, do we "inherit the sins of our fathers (and mothers)"? If yes, give examples and explain.
  • What kinds of present-day McCarthyism can you see? Is socialism the new communism? How are alternate political philosophies discouraged in America, and where would you place yourself on the spectrum?
  • Andersen notes that since WWII "mainline" Christian denominations were peaking (and, as evidence shows, are now declining). What do you think about this when you consider the visible political power of other evangelical denominations? Are you a part of a mainline traditon? If so, how would you explain this shift?

from Russell's History-

...Saint Augustine taught that Adam, before the Fall, had had free will, and could have abstained from sin. But as he and Eve ate the apple, corruption entered into them, and descended to all their posterity, none of whom can, of their own power, abstain from sin. Only God's grace enables men to be virtuous. Since we all inherit Adam's sin, we all deserve eternal damnation. All who die unbaptized, even infants, will go to hell and suffer unending torment. We have no reason to complain of this, since we are all wicked. (In the Confessions, the Saint enumerates the crimes of which he was guilty in the cradle.) But by God's free grace certain people, among those who have been baptized, are chosen to go to heaven; these are the elect. They do not go to heaven because they are good; we are all totally depraved, except in so far as God's grace, which is only bestowed on the elect, enables us to be otherwise. No reason can be given why some are saved and the rest damned; this is due to God's unmotived choice. Damnation proves God's justice; salvation His mercy. Both equally display His goodness. The arguments in favour of this ferocious doctrine--which was revived by Calvin, and has since then not been held by the Catholic Church--are to be found in the writings of Saint Paul, particularly the Epistle to the Romans. These are treated by Augustine as a lawyer treats the law: the interpretation is able, and the texts are made to yield their utmost meaning. One is persuaded, at the end, not that Saint Paul believed what Augustine deduces, but that, taking certain texts in isolation, they do imply just what he says they do. It may seem odd that the damnation of unbaptized infants should not have been thought shocking, but should have been attributed to a good God. The conviction of sin, however, so dominated him that he really believed new-born children to be limbs of Satan. A great deal of what is most ferocious in the medieval Church is traceable to his gloomy sense of universal guilt. There is only one intellectual difficulty that really troubles Saint Augustine. This is not that it seems a pity to have created Man, since the immense majority of the human race are predestined to eternal torment. What troubles him is that, if original sin is inherited from Adam, as Saint Paul teaches, the soul, as well as the body, must be propagated by the parents, for sin is of the soul, not the body. He sees difficulties in this doctrine, but says that, since Scripture is silent, it cannot be necessary to salvation to arrive at a just view on the matter. He therefore leaves it undecided. It is strange that the last men of intellectual eminence before the dark ages were concerned, not with saving civilization or expelling the barbarians or reforming the abuses of the administration, but with preaching the merit of virginity and the damnation of unbaptized infants. Seeing that these were the preoccupations that the Church handed on to the converted barbarians, it is no wonder that the succeeding age surpassed almost all other fully historical periods in cruelty and superstition...

...Boethius is a singular figure. Throughout the Middle Ages he was read and admired, regarded always as a devout Christian, and treated almost as if he had been one of the Fathers. Yet his Consolations of Philosophy, written in 524 while he was awaiting execution, is purely Platonic; it does not prove that he was not a Christian, but it does show that pagan philosophy had a much stronger hold on him then Christian theology. Some theological works, especially one on the Trinity, which are attributed to him, are by many authorities considered to be spurious; but it was probably owing to them that the Middle Ages were able to regard him as orthodox, and to imbibe from him much Platonism which would otherwise have been viewed with suspicion. The work is an alternation of verse and prose: Boethius, in his own person, speaks in prose, while Philosophy answers in verse. There is a certain resemblance to Dante, who was no doubt influenced by him in the Vita Nuova. The Consolations, which Gibbon rightly calls a "golden volume," begins by the statement that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are the true philosophers; Stoics, Epicureans, and the rest are usurpers, whom the profane multitude mistook for the friends of philosophy. Boethius says he obeyed the Pythagorean command to "follow God" (not the Christian command). Happiness, which is the same thing as blessedness, is the good, not pleasure. Friendship is a "most sacred thing." There is much morality that agrees closely with Stoic doctrine, and is in fact largely taken from Seneca. There is a summary, in verse, of the beginning of the Timaeus. This is followed by a great deal of purely Platonic metaphysics. Imperfection, we are told, is a lack, implying the existence of a perfect pattern. He adopts the privative theory of evil. He then passes on to a pantheism which should have shocked Christians, but for some reason did not. Blessedness and God, he says, are both the chiefest good, and are therefore identical. "Men are made happy by the obtaining of divinity." "They who obtain divinity become gods. Wherefore every one that is happy is a god, but by nature there is only one God, but there may be many by participation." "The sum, origin, and cause of all that is sought after is rightly thought to be goodness." "The substance of God consisteth in nothing else but in goodness." Can God do evil? No. Therefore evil is nothing, since God can do everything. Virtuous men are always powerful, and bad men always weak; for both desire the good, but only the virtuous get it. The wicked are more unfortunate if they escape punishment than if they suffer it. (Note that this could not be said of punishment in hell.) "In wise men there is no place for hatred." The tone of the book is more like that of Plato than that of Plotinus. There is no trace of the superstition or morbidness of the age, no obsession with sin, no excessive straining after the unattainable. There is perfect philosophic calm--so much that, if the book had been written in prosperity, it might almost have been called smug. Written when it was, in prison under sentence of death, it is as admirable as the last moments of the Platonic Socrates. One does not find a similar outlook until after Newton. I will quote in extenso one poem from the book, which, in its philosophy, is not unlike Pope's Essay on Man. If Thou wouldst see God's laws with purest mind, Thy sight on heaven must fixed be, Whose settled course the stars in peace doth bind. The sun's bright fire Stops not his sister's team, Nor doth the northern bear desire Within the ocean's wave to hide her beam. Though she behold The other stars there couching, Yet she incessantly is rolled About high heaven, the ocean never touching. The evening light With certain course doth show The coming of the shady night, And Lucifer before the day doth go. This mutual love Courses eternal makes, And from the starry spheres above All cause of war and dangerous discord takes. This sweet consent In equal bands doth tie The nature of each element So that the moist things yield unto the dry. The piercing cold With flames doth friendship heap The trembling fire the highest place doth hold, And the gross earth sinks down into the deep. The flowery year Breathes odours in the spring, The scorching summer corn doth bear The autumn fruit from laden trees doth bring. The falling rain Doth winter's moisture give. These rules thus nourish and maintain All creatures which we see on earth to live. And when they die, These bring them to their end, While their Creator sits on high, Whose hand the reins of the whole world doth bend. He as their king Rules them with lordly might. From Him they rise, flourish, and spring, He as their law and judge decides their right. Those things whose course Most swiftly glides away His might doth often backward force, And suddenly their wandering motion stay. Unless his strength Their violence should bound, And them which else would run at length, Should bring within the compass of a round, That firm decree Which now doth all adorn Would soon destroyed and broken be, Things being far from their beginning borne. This powerful love Is common unto all. -372- Which for desire of good do move Back to the springs from whence they first did fall. No worldly thing Can a continuance have Unless love back again it bring Unto the cause which first the essence gave. Boethius was, until the end, a friend of Theodoric. His father was consul, he was consul, and so were his two sons. His father-in-law Symmachus (probably grandson of the one who had a controversy with Ambrose about the statue of Victory) was an important man in the court of the Gothic king. Theodoric employed Boethius to reform the coinage, and to astonish less sophisticated barbarian kings with such devices as sun-dials and water-clocks. It may be that his freedom from superstition was not so exceptional in Roman aristocratic families as elsewhere; but its combination with great learning and zeal for the public good was unique in that age. During the two centuries before his time and the ten centuries after it, I cannot think of any European man of learning so free from superstition and fanaticism. Nor are his merits merely negative; his survey is lofty, disinterested, and sublime. He would have been remarkable in any age; in the age in which he lived, he is utterly amazing
...Saint Anselm was, like Lanfranc, an Italian, a monk at Bec, and archbishop of Canterbury ( 1093- 1109), in which capacity he followed the principles of Gregory VII and quarrelled with the king. He is chiefly known to fame as the inventor of the "ontological argument" for the existence of God. As he put it, the argument is as follows: We define "God" as the greatest possible object of thought. Now if an object of thought does not exist, another, exactly like it, which does exist, is greater. Therefore the greatest of all objects of thought must exist, since, otherwise, another, still greater, would be possible. Therefore God exists. This argument has never been accepted by theologians. It was adversely criticized at the time; then it was forgotten till the latter half of the thirteenth century. Thomas Aquinas rejected it, and among theologians his authority has prevailed ever since. But among philosophers it has had a better fate. Descartes revived it in a somewhat amended form; Leibniz thought that it could be made valid by the addition of a supplement to prove that God is possible. Kant considered that he had demolished it once for all. Nevertheless, in some sense, it underlies the system of Hegel and his followers, and reappears in Bradley's principle: "What may be and must be, is." Clearly an argument with such a distinguished history is to be treated with respect, whether valid or not. The real question is: Is there anything we can think of which, by the mere fact that we can think of it, is shown to exist outside our thought? Every philosopher would like to say yes, because a philosopher's job is to find out things about the world by thinking rather than observing. If yes is the right answer, there is a bridge from pure thought to things; if not, not. In this generalized form, Plato uses a kind of ontological argument to prove the objective reality of ideas. But no one before Anselm had -417- stated the argument in its naked logical purity. In gaining purity, it loses plausibility; but this also is to Anselm's credit. For the rest, Anselm's philosophy is mainly derived from Saint Augustine, from whom it acquires many Platonic elements. He believes in Platonic ideas, from which he derives another proof of the existence of God. By Neoplatonic arguments he professes to prove not only God, but the Trinity. (It will be remembered that Plotinus has a Trinity, though not one that a Christian can accept as orthodox.) Anselm considers reason subordinate to faith. "I believe in order to understand," he says; following Augustine, he holds that without belief it is impossible to understand. God, he says, is not just, but justice. It will be remembered that John the Scot says similar things. The common origin is in Plato. Saint Anselm, like his predecessors in Christian philosophy, is in the Platonic rather than the Aristotelian tradition. For this reason, he has not the distinctive characteristics of the philosophy which is called "scholastic," which culminated in Thomas Aquinas. This kind of philosophy may be reckoned as beginning with Roscelin, who was Anselm's contemporary, being seventeen years younger than Anselm. Roscelin marks a new beginning, and will be considered in the next chapter. When it is said that medieval philosophy, until the thirteenth century, was mainly Platonic, it must be remembered that Plato, except for a fragment of the Timaeus, was known only at second or third hand. John the Scot, for example, could not have held the views which he did hold but for Plato, but most of what is Platonic in him comes from the pseudo-Dionysius. The date of this author is uncertain, but it seems probable that he was a disciple of Proclus the Neoplatonist. It is probable, also, that John the Scot had never heard of Proclus or read a line of Plotinus. Apart from the pseudo-Dionysius, the other source of Platonism in the Middle Ages was Boethius. This Platonism was in many ways different from that which a modern student derives from Plato's own writings. It omitted almost everything that had no obvious bearing on religion, and in religious philosophy it enlarged and emphasized certain aspects at the expense of others. This change in the conception of Plato had already been effected by Plotinus. The knowledge of Aristotle was also fragmentary, but in an opposite direction: all that was known of him until the twelfth -418- century was Boethius translation of the Categories and De Emendatione. Thus Aristotle was conceived as a mere dialectician, and Plato as only a religious philosopher and the author of the theory of ideas. During the course of the later Middle Ages, both these partial conceptions were gradually emended, especially the conception of Aristotle. But the process, as regards Plato, was not completed until the Renaissance...








4. Should religious traditions attempt to combine with, or assimilate themselves to, philosophical traditions? What do religion and philosophy generally have in common, and in what ways are they different?

5. Does the free will defense work, even to the extent of explaining "moral" evil? Is there in fact a logical contradiction between the concept of free will and an omniscient deity? Why or why not?


6. Would we be better off without a belief in free will? 






Strange Gods

Excerpt:
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AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO (354–430)

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
—Paul, Colossians 2:8

AUGUSTINE, a teenager studying in Carthage in the 370s, begins to ponder what he will one day consider the inevitable shortcomings of human philosophy ungrounded in the word of God. This process begins, as Augustine will later recount in his Confessions, when he reads Cicero’sHortensius, written around 45 b.c.e. The young scholar, unacquainted with either Jewish or Christian Scripture, takes away the (surely unintended) lesson from the pagan Cicero that only faith—a faith that places the supernatural above the natural—can satisfy the longing for wisdom.

“But, O Light of my heart,” Augustine wrote to his god in Confessions (c. 397), “you know that at that time, although Paul’s words were not known to me, the only thing that pleased me in Cicero’s book was his advice not simply to admire one or another of the schools of philosophy, but to love wisdom itself, whatever it might be. . . . These were the words which excited me and set me burning with fire, and the only check to this blaze of enthusiasm was that they made no mention of the name of Christ.”

The only check? To me, this passage from Confessions has always sounded like the many rewritings of personal history intended to conform the past to the author’s current beliefs and status in life—which in Augustine’s case meant being an influential bishop of an ascendant church that would tolerate no dissent grounded in other religious or secular philosophies. By the time he writes Confessions, Augustine seems a trifle embarrassed about having been so impressed, as a young man, by a pagan writer. So he finds a way to absolve himself of the sin of attraction to small-“c” catholic, often secular intellectual interests by limiting Cicero to his assigned role as one step in a fourth-century boy’s journey toward capital-“C” Catholicism. It is the adult Augustine who must reconcile his enthusiasm for Cicero with the absence of the name of Christ; there is no reason why this should have bothered the pagan adolescent Augustine at all. Nevertheless, no passage in the writings of the fathers of the church, or in any personal accounts of the intellectual and emotional process of conversion, explains more lucidly (albeit indirectly) why the triumph of Christianity inevitably begins with that other seeker on the road to Damascus. It is Paul, after all, not Jesus or the authors of the Gospels, who merits a mention in Augustine’s explanation of how his journey toward the one true faith was set in motion by a pagan.

It is impossible to consider Augustine, the second most important convert in the theological firmament of the early Christian era, without giving Paul his due. But let us leave Saul—he was still Saul then—as he awakes from a blow on his head to hear a voice from the heavens calling him to rebirth in Christ. Saul did not have any established new religion to convert to, but Augustine was converting to a faith with financial and political influence, as well as a spiritual message for the inhabitants of a decaying empire. Augustine’s journey from paganism to Christianity was a philosophical and spiritual struggle lasting many years, but it also exemplified the many worldly, secular influences on conversion in his and every subsequent era. These include mixed marriages; political instability that creates the perception and the reality of personal insecurity; and economic conditions that provide a space for new kinds of fortunes and the possibility of financial support for new religious institutions.

Augustine told us all about his struggle, within its social context, in Confessions—which turned out to be a best-seller for the ages. This was a new sort of book, even if it was a highly selective recounting of experience (like all memoirs) rather than a “tell-all” autobiography in the modern sense. Its enduring appeal, after a long break during the Middle Ages, lies not in its literary polish, intellectuality, or prayerfulness—though the memoir is infused with these qualities—but in its preoccupation with the individual’s relationship to and responsibility for sin and evil. As much as Augustine’s explorations constitute an individual journey—and have been received as such by generations of readers—the journey unfolds in an upwardly mobile, religiously divided family that was representative of many other people finding and shaping new ways to make a living; new forms of secular education; and new institutions of worship in a crumbling Roman civilization.

After a lengthy quest venturing into regions as wild as those of any modern religious cults, Augustine told the story of his spiritual odyssey when he was in his forties. His subsequent works, including The City of God, are among the theological pillars of Christianity, butConfes­sions is the only one of his books read widely by anyone but theologically minded intellectuals (or intellectual theologians). In the fourth and early fifth centuries, Christian intellectuals with both a pagan and a religious education, like the friends and mentors Augustine discusses in the book, provided the first audience for Confessions. That audience would probably not have existed a century earlier, because literacy—a secular prerequisite for a serious education in both paganism and Christianity—had expanded among members of the empire’s bourgeois class by the time Augustine was born. The Christian intellectuals who became Augustine’s first audience may have been more interested than modern readers in the theological framework of the autobiography (though they, too, must have been curious about the distinguished bishop’s sex life). ButConfessions has also been read avidly, since the Renaissance, by successive generations of humanist scholars (religious and secular); Enlightenment skeptics; nineteenth-century Romantics; psychotherapists; and legions of the prurient, whether religious believers or nonbelievers. Everyone, it seems, loves the tale of a great sinner turned into a great saint.

In my view, Augustine was neither a world-class sinner nor a saint, but his drama of sin and repentance remains a real page-turner. Here & Now
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An old post-

Augustine & string theory

Is anyone, from God on down, “pulling our strings”? We’d not be free if they were, would we? If you say we would, what do you mean by “free”? Jesus and Mo have puzzled this one, behind the wheel with with Moses and with "Free Willy." But as usual, the Atheist Barmaid is unpersuaded.

(As I always must say, when referencing this strip: that’s not Jesus of Nazareth, nor is it the Prophet Mohammed, or the sea-parter Moses; and neither I nor Salman Rushdie, the Dutch cartoonists, the anonymous Author, or anyone else commenting on religion in fictional media are blasphemers. We're all just observers exercising our "god-given" right of free speech, which of course extends no further than the end of a fist and the tip of a nose. We'll be celebrating precisely that, and academic freedom, when we line up to take turns reading the Constitution this morning.

No, they’re just a trio of cartoonish guys who often engage in banter relevant to our purposes in CoPhi. It’s just harmless provocation, and fun. But if it makes us think, it’s useful.)

Augustine proposed a division between the “city of god” and the “earthly city” of humanity, thus excluding many of us from his version of the cosmos. “These two cities of the world, which are doomed to coexist intertwined until the Final Judgment, divide the world’s inhabitants.” SEP

And of course he believed in hell, raising the stakes for heaven and the judicious free will he thought necessary to get there even higher. If there's no such thing as free will, though, how can you do "whatever the hell you want"? But, imagine there's no heaven or hell. What then? Some of us think that's when free will becomes most useful to members of a growing, responsible species.

Someone posted the complaint on our class message board that it's not clear what "evil" means, in the context of our Little History discussion of Augustine. But I think this is clear enough: "there is a great deal of suffering in the world," some of it proximally caused by crazy, immoral/amoral, armed and dangerous humans behaving badly, much more of it caused by earthquakes, disease, and other "natural" causes. All of it, on the theistic hypothesis, is part and parcel of divinely-ordered nature.

Whether or not some suffering is ultimately beneficial, character-building, etc., and from whatever causes, "evil" means the suffering that seems gratuitously destructive of innocent lives. Some of us "can't blink the evil out of sight," in William James's words, and thus can't go in for theistic (or other) schemes of "vicarious salvation." We think it's the responsibility of humans to use their free will (or whatever you prefer to call ameliorative volitional action) to reduce the world's evil and suffering. Take a sad song and make it better.

Note the Manichaean strain in Augustine, and the idea that "evil comes from the body." That's straight out of Plato. The world of Form and the world of perfect heavenly salvation thus seem to converge. If you don't think "body" is inherently evil, if in fact you think material existence is pretty cool (especially considering the alternative), this view is probably not for you. Nor if you can't make sense of Original Sin, that most "difficult" contrivance of the theology shop.

"Augustine had felt the hidden corrosive effect of Adam's Fall, like the worm in the apple, firsthand," reminds Arthur Herman. His prayer for personal virtue "but not yet" sounds funny but was a cry of desperation and fear.
Like Aristotle, Augustine believed that the quality of life we lead depends on the choices we make. The tragedy is that left to our own devices - and contrary to Aristotle - most of those choices will be wrong. There can be no true morality without faith and no faith without the presence of God. The Cave and the Light

Bertrand Russell, we know, was not a Christian. But he was a bit of a fan of Augustine the philosopher (as distinct from the theologian), on problems like time.

As for Augustine the theologian and Saint-in-training, Russell's pen drips disdain.
It is strange that the last men of intellectual eminence before the dark ages were concerned, not with saving civilization or expelling the barbarians or reforming the abuses of the administration, but with preaching the merit of virginity and the damnation of unbaptized infants.
Funny, how the preachers of the merit of virginity so often come late - after exhausting their stores of wild oats - to their chaste piety. Not exactly paragons of virtue or character, these Johnnys Come Lately. On the other hand, it's possible to profess a faith you don't understand much too soon. My own early Sunday School advisers pressured and frightened me into "going forward" at age 6, lest I "die before I wake" one night and join the legions of the damned.

That's an allusive segue to today's additional discussion of Aristotelian virtue ethics, in its turn connected with the contradictions inherent in the quest to bend invariably towards Commandments. "Love your neighbor": must that mean, let your neighbor suffer a debilitating terminal illness you could pull the plug on? Or is the "Christian" course, sometimes, to put an end to it?

We also read today of Hume's Law, Moore's Naturalistic Fallacy, the old fact/value debate. Sam Harris is one of the most recent controversialists to weigh in on the issue, arguing that "good" means supportive of human well-being and flourishing, which are in turn based on solid facts. "The answer to the question, 'What should I believe, and why should I believe it?' is generally a scientific one..." Brain Science and Human Values

Also: ethical relativism, meta-ethics, and more. And maybe we'll have time to squeeze in consideration of the perennial good-versus-evil trope. Would there be anything "wrong" with a world in which good was already triumphant, happiness for all already secured, kindness and compassion unrivaled by hatred and cruelty? I think it might be just fine. Worth a try, anyway. Where can I vote for that?







"Boethius in his cell imagined his visitor: Philosophy personified as a tall woman wearing a dress with the letters Pi to Theta on it. She berates him for deserting her and the stoicism she preached. Boethius’s own book was a response to her challenge..." (from Nigel's essay "Philosophy Should Be Conversation")
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COLLEGE students tell me they know how to look someone in the eye and type on their phones at the same time, their split attention undetected. They say it’s a skill they mastered in middle school when they wanted to text in class without getting caught. Now they use it when they want to be both with their friends and, as some put it, “elsewhere.” These days, we feel less of a need to hide the fact that we are dividing our attention. In a 2015 study by the Pew Research Center, 89 percent of cellphone owners said they had used their phones during the last social gathering they attended. But they weren’t happy about it; 82 percent of adults felt that the way they used their phones in social settings hurt the conversation.I’ve been studying the psychology of online connectivity for more than 30 years. For the past five, I’ve had a special focus: What has happened to face-to-face conversation in a world where so many people say they would rather text than talk? I’ve looked at families, friendships and romance. I’ve studied schools, universities and workplaces. When college students explain to me how dividing their attention plays out in the dining hall, some refer to a “rule of three.” In a conversation among five or six people at dinner, you have to check that three people are paying attention — heads up — before you give yourself permission to look down at your phone. So conversation proceeds, but with different people having their heads up at different times. The effect is what you would expect: Conversation is kept relatively light, on topics where people feel they can drop in and out... (from Sherry Terkle's "Stop Googling. Let's Talk")
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Sherry Turkle is a singular voice in the discourse about technology. She’s a skeptic who was once a believer, a clinical psychologist among the industry shills and the literary hand-wringers, an empiricist among the cherry-picking anecdotalists, a moderate among the extremists, a realist among the fantasists, a humanist but not a Luddite: a grown-up. She holds an endowed chair at M.I.T. and is on close collegial terms with the roboticists and affective-computing engineers who work there. Unlike Jaron Lanier, who bears the stodgy weight of being a Microsoft guy, or Evgeny Morozov, whose perspective is Belarussian, Turkle is a trusted and respected insider. As such, she serves as a kind of conscience for the tech world.

Turkle’s previous book, “Alone ­Together,” was a damning report on human relationships in the digital age. By observing people’s interactions with robots, and by interviewing them about their computers and phones, she charted the ways in which new technologies render older values obsolete. When we replace human caregivers with robots, or talking with texting, we begin by arguing that the replacements are “better than nothing” but end up considering them “better than anything” — cleaner, less risky, less demanding. Paralleling this shift is a growing preference for the virtual over the real. Robots don’t care about people, but Turkle’s subjects were shockingly quick to settle for the feeling of being cared for and, similarly, to prefer the sense of community that social media deliver, because it comes without the hazards and commitments of a real-world community. In her interviews, again and again, Turkle observed a deep disappointment with human beings, who are flawed and forgetful, needy and unpredictable, in ways that machines are wired not to be. Her new book, “Reclaiming Conversation,” extends her critique, with less ­emphasis on robots and more on the dissatisfaction with technology reported by her recent interview subjects. She takes their dissatisfaction as a hopeful sign, and her book is straightforwardly a call to arms: Our rapturous submission to digital technology has led to an atrophying of human capacities like empathy and self-­reflection, and the time has come to reassert ourselves, behave like adults and put technology in its place... (Jonathan Franzen review of Reclaiming Conversation, continues)
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A follow-up from Sherry Turkle on the lost art of conversation:
My recent Sunday Review essay, adapted from my book “Reclaiming Conversation,” made a case for face-to-face talk. The piece argued that direct engagement is crucial for the development of empathy, the ability to put ourselves in the place of others. The article went on to say that it is time to make room for this most basic interaction by first accepting our vulnerability to the constant hum of online connection and then designing our lives and our products to protect against it.

Some readers agreed with me. Others, even as they disagreed, captured the fragility of conversation today... (continues)

Though one goal of visiting a professor during office hours is certainly transactional — to increase your knowledge and improve your grade — the other is to visit someone who is making an effort to understand you and how you think. And a visit to a professor holds the possibility of giving a student the feeling of adult support and commitment.

But students say they don’t come to office hours because they are afraid of being too dull. They tell me they prefer to email professors because only with the time delay and the possibility of editing can they best explain their work. My students suggest that an email from them will put me in the best position to improve their ideas. They cast our meeting in purely transactional terms, judging that the online transaction will yield better results than a face-to-face meeting.

Zvi, a college junior who doesn’t like to see his professors in person but prefers to email, used transactional language to describe what he might get out of office hours: He has ideas; the professors have information that will improve them. In the end, Zvi walked back his position and admitted that he stays away from professors because he doesn’t feel grown-up enough to talk to them. His professors might be able to help him with this, but not because they’ll give him information.

Studies of mentoring show that what makes a difference, what can change the life of a student, is the presence of a strong figure who shows an interest, who, as a student might say, “gets me.”

You need face-to-face conversation for that. nyt 
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*From Consolation of Philosophy, Book V-'Since, then, as we lately proved, everything that is known is cognized not in accordance with its own nature, but in accordance with the nature of the faculty that comprehends it, let us now contemplate, as far as lawful, the character of the Divine essence, that we may be able to understand also the nature of its knowledge...

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  1. Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?

    I've always seen them kind of as equals. Two sides of the same coin, if you will. If God were to be more powerful than Satan, what would stop him from overcoming the evil? Why not fight back? Either side could be argued, however. Because if he is said to be all-powerful, then they wouldn't be equal in the slightest.

    Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence?

    While I'm a little on the fence between my beliefs of Christianity, I think that main reason of toss-up is because of the comfort of believing that anyone can be redeemed and that there's a life to live after death. It's comforting to think this, but it's hard to ignore the reason and evidence that contradict it. But I suppose this is part of where our own "Fantasyland" comes in to play.

    Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?

    I was raised as a Christian, so I've never gotten to do much exploring. I remember being shocked in about middle school when I first learned people believed in other religions like Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and so forth. I had a friend that was Muslim that I talked to a lot, and I remember when he told me that he was Muslim, I asked him why. Of course I never meant it to be rude or anything, but I genuinely was not raised with the knowledge that there were people out there that didn't believe in God and that Jesus was the messiah. I think all religions are to be discussed equally, assuming there's nothing truly harmful or malicious about them. I think all this reasoning is why I've tended to distance myself from my Christian roots as I've grown older.

    Do you find the concept of Original Sin compelling, difficult, unfair, or dubious? In general, do we "inherit the sins of our fathers (and mothers)"? If yes, give examples and explain.

    The concept of Original Sin is unfair by definition. Newborn babies and generations shouldn't have to put up with the past sins of their families and forefathers. I want to say that no, no one fully inherits the sins of the past and everyone has a chance to choose not to follow them, but that isn't entirely true. Take global warming, that's a sin of many past generations, and now it's an issue more apparent than ever. Something to be faced by our generation and the ones to follow. We didn't ask for this. But we're the ones receiving. It all comes down to progression of events and history. The definition of sin in of itself is fairly vague. Whether it being bad to kill someone to simply just say "God" in a slightly-off tone of voice. But no matter the case, the actions of our ancestors in some way have shaped our own lives by a result. And this includes the sins they commit.

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  2. H03

    Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?

    I agree that God exists in the first statement along with Satan, but I don’t think Satan is more powerful than God. To me there have been questionable moments that it seems Satan has the upper hand with devastating events that has happened or is currently taking place like, 9/11, slavery, racial injustice etc.. but even with all of those things I feel God has more power than Satan because in some circumstances people have been able to prevail despite all the tragedies that take place.


    Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence?

    For me, I think it’s something beautiful about hearing or reading stories about faith, redemption, and salvation because those stories can be a source of motivation to push through tough situations to reach joy and triumph.

    COMMENT: “The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.”

    I feel some people come to the concept of the world being this wonderful place of love and morals because of stories that have been passed down from generation to generation. Because the world isn’t always a place of love and morals, more so grief, heartache, and just craziness.

    COMMENT: “Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.” Carl Sagan

    I agree that science and spirituality are two separate things that are not compatible at all. If anything I think there has always been this ongoing battle between those who strictly base their lives off of science and those who live by spirituality and because of this there are constant debates and clashes about what people think is real and what is false.

    If you were falsely imprisoned, tortured, and scheduled for execution, would you be able to achieve "consolation"? How?

    It depends on the mindset I’m in. Because at first I would be angered knowing that I was falsely accused of something that could lead to my death but hopefully I could achieve some form of consolation through my belief in God and prayer, or even being able to write down my personal thoughts in stories or a diary.


    Can the definition of a word prove anything about the world?

    Yes and no. I can agree words can prove anything about the world depending on how a word was used when it was first defined versus how the term of the word is expressed differently centuries later. But I also feel like as people evolve so do the words that individuals use and if a word doesn’t live up to current times it doesn’t show any proof of the world.

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  3. Can the definition of a word prove anything about the world?
    Yes because the world develops a context or a connotation about the word.
    Should religious traditions attempt to combine with, or assimilate themselves to, philosophical traditions? What do religion and philosophy generally have in common, and in what ways are they different?
    Yes they should combine with each other. In my belief, if you are seeking God or religion you are also seeking wisdom about the world and who made it and why.
    Would we be better off without a belief in free will?
    I think we would be worse off. People are given the choice to choose what to believe and how to act. If we do not have free will, we are like puppets in a scheme larger than us, without the choice to be who we want to be.

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    1. I like your explanation to the first question. I thought maybe that the definition was constructed by man, so there really is a specific thing it can tell us. I believe it tells us what humankind 'thinks' about a certain thing or the culture around those humans. We are complex with various languages, cultures, and values. I do think that word definitions show what people give meaning.

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  4. [H2] HANNAH LITVJAK :

    (1) Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?

    Personally, I believe God exists and triumphs Satan, but I have not dissected why I believe so that thoroughly. I have a rocky relationship with Christianity, for some private reasons, but a deeper part of me believes that the possibility of an all-powerful creator of everything is not as far-fetched because of multiple occasions where science or coincidence couldn't explain why something amazing happened; it just did. Coming from someone who has defensively turned to looking at facts rather than occurrences, I have heard multiple familial stories about God and about Satan - I believe them because of how genuinely and passionately some of my family members tell these stories. It makes me feel that if something can impact a person that thoroughly, there must be some sort of someone out there effecting things.


    (2) Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence?

    They have a great balance in my mind that provides comfort. Without faith, redemption and salvation, I would believe the world to be very bleak; however, the power of reason and evidence provides a solid foundation for different issues of mine that make me feel like I have better control over my circumstances. They coincide with each other in my mind. If I, for example, fail to have a good week with terrible anxiety twitches, attacks and outbursts, I can have a faith in redemption in myself and the forgiveness of those I may have hurt because of the evidence and reasoning of how a support system works and how difficult anxiety has proven to be to control.

    (3) Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?

    I certainly think being introduced to a religion in early childhood is important. To make a developing person think about morality and ethics can often shape a person in positive ways. However, fully embracing a religion while still young can have some consequences regarding disappointment in self and others, depression and anxiety. I don't think renouncing is all about going wild, per say, but to look at a religion as a means of studying rather than loyally committing is what I believe is better for a person. My parents introduced me to Christianity, but never enforced it on me. Of course at family events we will say grace and when I ask for advice, sometimes they mention God and Satan, but they never made me feel like I had to be Christian.

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  5. If you were falsely imprisoned, tortured, and scheduled for execution, would you be able to achieve "consolation"? How?
    I honestly don't know if I could achieve consolation. I think my mind would be destroyed. I know for a fact I would be furious because being falsely accused of something or falsely imprisoned is aggravating and frustrating because you know that you're not in the wrong. I could just see that my mind would succumb to the torture and it would probably be very hard for me to find this consolation. Maybe with the strength of my faith, it could be a little bit easier, but I know it would definitely be hard for me; a challenge.

    Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence?
    I would have to say that the supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation are more comforting than the power of reason and evidence. I mean, even the supernatural stories can be seen as evidence; the person who experienced the supernatural IS the evidence. As a Christian, I've experienced many faith, redemption and salvation moments that I find it hard to not believe in them. They provide reassurance when I need it and allow me to reflect on life and my faith. The feeling associated with these instances is truly powerful and is something that can't be explained, but experienced.

    Does the possibility of other worlds somehow diminish humanity?
    I don't think that it diminishes humanity, I think it actually makes us better. While I do not believe that there is life outside of our planet and aliens as well, I do find it very interesting in regards to other worlds. I feel like "other worlds" can refer to outer space and even spiritual realms as too. But I don't think they diminish humanity. It expands our capability to better understand the universe and what's in store for us.

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  6. H03
    Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence?
    Yes, very much so. It's far more comforting to me to have something I can believe in, or a divine reason for the world existing. Sure, I believe in science and don't refuse vaccinations or medicine because I believe purely in the supernatural, but I do believe in a higher power. Being able at the end of the day to know, in my mind, where I'm going when I die makes it easier to live. I spend less time worrying about things I can't control.

    Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?
    While it may differ from what I believe, if we're speaking on plausibility, the first wins. It makes more sense if they're both equally powerful and constantly fighting that "war between good and evil".

    Can you explain the concept of Original Sin? Do you think you understand it?
    Original Sin is the first sin, done by Adam and Eve in the garden. Nothing could've changed it and, in religion, it's the reason why humans need forgiveness and "salvation". If that original sin hadn't happened, we wouldn't even exist, technically, because it created death. It would've always been just Adam and Eve. Because this sin created us, it's the reason people believe all people are born evil.

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  7. H02
    What do you think of Boethius' solution to the puzzle of free will?
    I agree with Boethius' solution to the puzzle of free will because his viewpoint is very similar to my own that I came up with when I was twelve and we were learning about predestination in school. God can still be all-knowing if he is outside time itself, and to him everything that will happen has already happened. However, we can still maintain our free will because we our living out our lives in this one timeline day by day.

    Can you explain the concept of Original Sin? Do you think you understand it?
    I believe I understand the basic idea of Original Sin. It is the concept in Christianity that states that because Eve and Adam ate the apple from the Tree of Knowledge, every one of their ancestors (us) bear their sin and we have to overcome it to be able to enter heaven. I was told as a child the reason we all bear the sin is because as humans we all would have done the same as Adam and Eve. That was what I was taught anyway.

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  8. H2
    Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?

    I grew up in the church and these past few years have been trying to find my true feelings about christianity. But putting aside personal beliefs, I think that God existing but isn't more powerful than satan is more likely than neither of them existing. In the bible is doesn't explicitly say anywhere that satan is an angel but there are so many bible verses that describe satan as a fallen angel. Adam and Eve are a good example of the battle between Satan and God. God gives humans free will to do whatever and that lets in the urge for evil. That's when satan is able to influence people and bring evil into the world. Adam and Eve were told not to eat the apple but they did anyways. They had free will and chose evil. That is why God isn't more powerful because as long as he hands out free will Satan will always be able to bring about evil into the world.

    Does the concept of a never-ending struggle between good and evil appeal to you? Does it make sense, in the light of whatever else you believe? Would there be anything "wrong" with a world in which good was already triumphant, happiness for all already secured, kindness and compassion unrivaled by hatred and cruelty?

    I think the struggle between good and evil makes perfect sense. In our world, I couldn't imagine everything being perfect. Being human means making mistakes and experiencing bad things. When you think about it, being handed everything in life isn't rewarding. Sure it will make you happy but not as happy as having to struggle for it. When you struggle, try, fail, and try again and succeed it can be one of the most rewarding feelings. Having bad things happen in life might tear us down but humans are very resilient. We get knocked down, then we get stronger, we build our character and our minds to eventually become better people. Nobody wants bad things to happen but when they do we become better from them.

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  9. Tyler Martin H2
    The most comforting stories to me are the realistic stories that have reason to them. It provides me comfort because I know miracles can happen, even if they may not be supernatural.
    I feel like the main message of Christianity is to love one another. I feel like a lot gets lost in translation in a sense, but if one loves everyone truly and respects them, then they will be doing what Christ taught.
    I agree with Boethius’ solution to the free-will paradox. I believe that in the grand scheme of space-time, God created it so it is safe to reason that He can live outside of it and experience it all at one instant.

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      The idea of loving and respecting all people is a great and comforting message, but it is rarely followed in reality. If it were shown by most Christians and others the world may be a better place. In the same way, if people, especially those in power, were not greedy and corrupt then there would be equality and justice for all. The Netflix documentary, the 13th, points out that the prison system is now being expanded in the intrest of the Corrections Corperation of America. Though the idea of loving everyone is a nice message, it is unrealistic. It may sound awful, but there is no way to purely love everone.

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  10. "Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?"
    I believe it is better to experience the world, understand more about it, and learn about different beliefs before committing to one. How can you know you're right if you know almost nothing about the world? I was raised in the Baptist church and I was baptised when I was 8. I knew what Christians believed, but I was not old enough to understand how those beleifs truly applied to the world.
    "Can you explain the concept of Original Sin? Do you think you understand it?"
    The original sin is the sin Adam and Eve committed by eating the apple in the Garden of Eden and disobeying God. This sin is passed down to every generation. I understand what it is but I don't understand why it would have to exist.

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  11. Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?
    I've never been much of a religiously oriented person but I'd have to reason most with God being equal in power to Satan. I believe that life is what you put into it, energy spent on fate will reflect, but the idea of God and Satan both being equally powerful is just as plausible to me as neither existing.

    What do you think of the Manichean idea that an "evil God created the earth and emtombed our souls in the prisons of our bodies"?

    It's definitely compelling, but I feel like I'm having way too much fun at times be be "entombed in the prison of my body."
    Of course human ideas, feelings, and interactions can be stale/poor/rotten, whatever you'd like to call it, but I don't think that's a product of an evil God, more like lack of understanding, empathy, and personal growth; which is on no god but ourselves.

    “The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.”

    Life is what you make of it, if belief and praise in God is what helps your pursuit of happiness, do that. If you're about manifestation and rock necklaces, do that dragon tales. If you're a nihilism, good for you. If you're cat is God, okay! The idea is to pursue your happiness and goals in your own style, and leave everyone else alone in their own pursuit. Now perhaps a dictartorship would be wrong, but nothing stops you from enrolling in leadership groups! If we found our pursuit, kindness, and empathy the world would be much nicer, but there is work to do. I believe that if we all loosened up a bit and started supporting people for what they're out to achieve, maybe there would be less conflict

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    1. I agree that I am not "entombed in my body." To say that would be to put the blame onto someone/something else. Anything I do is up to me and not on an all powerful, supernatural being.

      I also agree that everyone should be able to worship there own God and believe in anything they want to, but I do not think anyone should be pressured to stay with a religion or to join a religion they do not believe in.

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  12. H03
    Are supernatural stories of faith, redemption, and salvation more comforting to you than the power of reason and evidence?

    I think that if you truly believe in the stories of supernatural beings, gods, spirits, and other similar phenomena, it can be very comforting. The existence of a higher power or afterlife can give us a sense that there is something more, a reason to exist, or a sense of right and wrong held by the universe. Existing without these notions can feel aimless. There is a downside, which usually shows its face in extreme groups that use these thoughts as a threat or a way to make others fearful of a god or consequence to their actions from beyond. That can be much less relaxing, and sometimes unnecessary. Nobody should be awake at night wondering if a pencil they forgot to return would cause their eternal damnation.


    How does the definition of God as omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good make it harder to account for evil and suffering in the world? Would it be better to believe in a lesser god, or no god at all?

    An omnipotent and everlastingly good god would be a very much approved of thought if not for the suffering and evil that happens in the world of his claimed creation. The apparent lack of interaction with any such being has led many people, even very aggressively religious people often say that god is asleep, not present, or will "return" through a second coming, it is rare that there is belief that an all powerful good being is actively controlling the world outside things being "part of (his) plan". This sows a lot of doubt among followers and those on the outside alike. A less powerful god, or a lack of one, would make much more sense in this context. It could be argued that needing a second coming or worship would lend to that. In the end it is up to the beholder to decide what makes the most sense, I myself have not entirely made up my mind.

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  13. H01
    Do you find the concept of Original Sin compelling, difficult, unfair, or dubious? In general, do we "inherit the sins of our fathers (and mothers)"? If yes, give examples and explain.

    I have never been able to wrap my head around the concept of people being born into sin. As a non-Christian, I haven't spent much time in church or debating this topic with other Christians; however, my partner and my best friend both come from heavily Christian households. From what they have explained to me, it is my understanding that everyone has sin and that it is our job to follow the teachings and repent of additional sin that we bring onto ourselves. My brain is not able to comprehend this concept though. Why would we have sin the moment we are created when we as an individual did nothing "wrong"? Why would a religion tell everyone they are sinners and that there is nothing you can do about it, you just have to follow the word of Christianity and hope that you are welcomed into heaven. From my perspective, it just seems as a way of putting fear into individuals and by doing so you are easily able to manipulate them. I just find the whole concept of sin very difficult and very unfair.

    Which is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?

    I think that the idea that God and Satan constantly trying to outdo the other is more compelling than there being just an all powerful God. It explains why good and bad things occur. However, I find it much more fathomable that neither exist and each individual is competing internally with good and evil themselves rather than God pushing good and Satan pushing evil.

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    What is more plausible, that God exists but is not more powerful than Satan, or that neither God nor Satan exists? Why?

    Although I may not be as religious as others, I believe God existing but not being more powerful than Satan seems more plausible. These two figures maintaining an equal amount of power and will gives reason for why both good and evil are in constant battle between each other. God granting humans with free will enables evil to emerge within society and disrupt God’s influence. For instance, humans could possibly be tempted by Satan, similar to the story of Adam and Eve where they eat the forbidden fruit. In addition, devastating events occur, but goodness and benevolence still possess the opportunity to prevail. As long as both good and evil continue to exert influence over society, the first option seems like a more feasible choice.

    Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?

    Personally, I grew up in a rather religious environment, and I did not completely comprehend the concept of God or a higher being. However, as my life progressed, a major situation occurred that pushed the importance of my religion towards the bottom of concerns. This event brought me further from my religion, but recently I have been attempting to become more in tuned with my religion. I believe embracing a religious faith early in life contains both benefits and consequences. For instance, a person is able to learn about morality and virtues as a child, but may not be capable of exploring or understanding faiths outside of their own. Furthemore, an individual may detach with that religious faith and try to restore their connect later in life, much like me.

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  15. H1
    I do not believe knowledge to be remembering what we already know. There are many things in the world I dont have any knowledge on, and it is not a matter of memory. How would it be possible to remember something I didn't know existed 20 minutes ago?
    Boethius's 'recollection of ideas' can be traced back to Plato and his theory of forms.
    Is it better to embrace (or renounce) religious faith early in life, or to "sow your wild oats" and enjoy a wide experience of the world before committing to any particular tradition or belief? Were you encouraged by adults, in childhood, to make a public profession of faith? If so, did you understand what that meant or entailed?

    I think it is better to wait until you fully understand the complexity of religion before deciding if you want to partake. My immediate family has never been super religious, but we used to go to church every week when i was younger. I never felt forced to join in, but I know now that I was more religious back then because it was expected of me.I question religion now and then, and I still do not fully understand it. I feel that younger me did not understand much of it, I just went to the services because I got to see friends and have fun. I realize now that I did not go for God as much as I did for the people there.

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    1. I do not think knowledge is remembering things we already seem to know either. How can we learn about new topics and interests if we already are knowledgeable about everything? I agree!

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  16. H01

    If there is no belief in free will, there is no reason to work hard and pursue a better future. If everything is set in stone then nothing you do will improve your life or the lives of others.

    Philosophy and religion are similar because they both try to give an explanation for life and the world. However, religion does not allow questioning and instead relies solely on faith and ancient texts. Philosophy relies on deep thought and finding explanations to encourage future thoughts and discoveries.

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    1. I agree with how you said that philosophy and religion are similar. I feel as though philosophy tries to dive deeper into big world issues and why the world is the way it is, and religion explains why you're here and the way the world is at this moment in time.

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    3. Boethius' "recollection of ideas" can be traced back to what philosopher?
    Plato!
    5. Gaunilo criticized Anselm's reasoning using what example?
    His example was imagining a perfect island with wealth and beautiful landscape that no one can reach. Just because this island is more "perfect" than any other island doesn't mean that it must really exist. He is using this example to criticize Anselms reasoning for why God exists.

    6. What was Aquinas' 2nd Way?
    An uncaused cause

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  18. Do you think you have a clear idea of what it would mean for there to be an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good supernatural being?
    I wonder about this sometimes. I don't think we can comprehend what an all good world looks like. Believers in God are taught that God is all good. But philosophers have challenged that idea by saying God is either all powerful or all good. We see suffering around us and in our life and assume that is why God cannot be all good and all powerful. But how would we know we were in an all good world or even know what goodness is if we never experienced evil? If not, would there be as much meaning to life in terms of spreading goodness, if there is no goodness to spread?

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