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Friday, October 15, 2021

Questions Oct 18/19

 Wittgestein, Arendt, Popper & Kuhn, Foot & Thomson-LH 34-37, FL 27-28, HWT- Concluding Thoughts

Study Questions:

1. What was the main message of Wittgenstein's Tractatus?

2. What did the later Wittgenstein (of Philosophical Investigations) mean by "language games," what did he think was the way to solve philosophical problems, and what kind of language did he think we can't have?

3. Who was Adolf Eichmann, and what did Arendt learn about him at his trial?

4. What was Arendt's descriptive phrase for what she saw as Eichmann's ordinariness?


5. Both Popper and Kuhn changed the way people understood science. What did Popper say about the method for checking a hypothesis and what name did Kuhn give to major breaks in the history of science? 

6. What is the Law of Double Effect? Many people who disagree with its principle--and with Thomson's violinist thought experiment--think that whatever our intentions we shouldn't play who?

Discussion Questions:

  • Was Wittgenstein's main message in the Tractatus correct? 203
  • What are some of the "language games" you play? (What are some different things you use language for?) 204
  • Can there be a "private language"? 206
  • "Eichmann wasn't responsible..." 208 Agree?
  • Are unthinking people as dangerous as evil sadists? 211
  • Is "the banality of evil" an apt phrase for our time? 212
  • Was Popper right about falsifiability? 218
  • Was Kuhn right about paradigms? 220
  • How would you respond it you woke up with a violinist plugged into your kidneys? Is this a good analogy for unwanted or unintended pregnancy? 226
FL
  • Pro wrestling is obviously staged. Why is it so popular?
  • What do Burning Man attendees and other adults who like to play dress-up tell us about the state of adulthood in contemporary America? 245
  • What do you think of Fantasy sports? 248
  • Was Michael Jackson a tragic figure? 250
  • Is pornography "normal"? 251
HWT
  • Is globalism and the decline or amalgamation of national traditions in philosophy and culture a good thing? 320
  • Is metaphysical agnosticism and "way-seeking" better than standard western "truth-seeking"? Must we choose between them? 324
  • Is "nature as much in silicon and steel  as it is in sand and sea"? 326
  • Is Pragmatism's "emphasis on what works" better suited to America than more traditional philosophies that assert truth-as-correspondence to reality etc.? 331
  • Is philosophy continuous with literature and poetry, or should it be? 334
  • If there cannot be a view from nowhere, can there still be views from everywhere? 338

DQ
  • Should we be silent about things we can't prove? Should philosophy concern itself with more than understanding the logic of language?
  • Do you use language as a pictorial medium, a tool for managing social relationships and expressing our thoughts and feelings, or what?
  • Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?
  • If the government attempted to round up, detain, and deport millions of Latinos and Muslims, how would you respond
  • Is "the banality of evil" relevant to our time?
  • [DQs on Popper & Kuhn, Foot & Thomson, FL, AP]



thinkPhilosophy (@tPhilosophia)
"What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence" - Wittgenstein's *Tractatus*: ow.ly/ClvRr #phil


thinkPhilosophy (@tPhilosophia)
Wittgenstein on problems translating language, computer science, and artificial intelligence. slate.com/articles/life/…



Ray Monk (@Raymodraco)
The video of my Turing/Wittgenstein lecture has now been posted & can be found here: britishwittgensteinsociety.org/event/eighteen…

Philosophy Matters (@PhilosophyMttrs)
Thomas Kuhn Wasn't So Bad ... buff.ly/2IpZf10

  • April 26 is the birthday of the man who said, “Philosophy is like trying to open a safe with a combination lock: each little adjustment of the dials seems to achieve nothing, only when everything is in place does the door open”: Ludwig Wittgenstein (books by this author), born in Vienna in 1889. He was described by his colleague Bertrand Russell as “the most perfect example I have known of genius as traditionally conceived: passionate, profound, intense, and dominating.” He was the youngest of nine children; three of his brothers committed suicide. 


Wittgenstein was born into one of the richest families in Austro-Hungary, but he later gave away his inheritance to his siblings, and also to an assortment of Austrian writers and artists, including Rainer Maria Rilke. He once said that the study of philosophy rescued him from nine years of loneliness and wanting to die, yet he tried to leave philosophy several times and pursue another line of work, including serving in the army during World War I, working as a porter at a London hospital, and teaching elementary school. He also considered careers in psychiatry and architecture — going so far as to design and build a house for his sister, which she never liked very much 
Wittgenstein was particularly interested in language. He wrote: “The limits of my language are the limits of my mind. All I know is what I have words for.” And, “Uttering a word is like striking a note on the keyboard of the imagination.” -Writer's Almanac



  • “The world is everything that is the case.” 
  • “Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present. Our life has no end in the way in which our visual field has no limits.”
  • “I give no sources, because it is indifferent to me whether what I have thought has already been thought before me by another.”
  • “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”
  • “A nothing will serve just as well as a something about which nothing could be said.”
  • “A logical picture of facts is a thought.”
  • “A picture held us captive. And we could not get outside it, for it lay in our language and language seemed to repeat it to us inexorably.”



  • What do we see when we observe the above figure? What we see in the above figure, of course, is dependent upon that with which we are familiar. Those who are not acquainted with the shape and form of a rabbit but are with that of a duck will see only a duck--and vice versa... When we normally speak of seeing in our everyday language-game, we are not inclined to say, "I see the picture as a duck," but rather we simply say, "I see a duck."
  • “Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language.”
  • “If you tried to doubt everything you would not get as far as doubting anything. The game of doubting itself presupposes certainty.”
  • “Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present. Our life has no end in the way in which our visual field has no limits.” 
  • “I give no sources, because it is indifferent to me whether what I have thought has already been thought before me by another.” 
  • “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”
  • “A nothing will serve just as well as a something about which nothing could be said.”
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  • “The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil.”
  • “The most radical revolutionary will become a conservative the day after the revolution.”
  • “The trouble with Eichmann was precisely that so many were like him, and that the many were neither perverted nor sadistic, that they were, and still are, terribly and terrifyingly normal. From the viewpoint of our legal institutions and of our moral standards of judgment, this normality was much more terrifying than all the atrocities put together.”
  • It was as though in those last minutes he was summing up the lesson that this long course in human wickedness had taught us-the lesson of the fearsome word-and-thought-defying banality of evil.” 

New Republic (@NewRepublic)
Hannah Arendt's writings warn us that danger comes when people no longer care if something is true or not. bit.ly/2pieugo pic.twitter.com/j8Io2VanwA



20 comments:

  1. "Eichmann wasn't responsible..." 208 Agree?

    I think this gets very complicated. Of course I still would say Eichmann is at major fault and should be held accountable, but in the end he was doing the job that was assigned to him. It was either this or he'd be breaking the law, which would likely have resulted in his death. I'm sure he, like anyone else, had a family he needed to take care of. He just so happened to be the man tasked with designing the railroads, and for that he should be held accountable either way for the pain and suffering it caused. Which was insurmountable.

    Was Kuhn right about paradigms? 

    Yes, there's plenty we don't know about our universe and we learn something new all the time. Space is a good example, and so is the very planet we live on. Such as whether or not it's flat- and it's not. But this belief was held before the time of Columbus and other explorers. Same with the Earth being the center of the universe, or the origin of the universe, whatever it is you choose to believe. What we call true isn't always necessarily true. This is shown all the time.

    Are unthinking people as dangerous as evil sadists?

    I'd say no. An evil sadist is able to calculate and plan what they do. They know what they're doing, and this makes them more dangerous as a result. Someone who's unthinking can be molded into someone evil, but it takes someone who can to be able to do this.

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    1. I agree that Eichmann should be held accountable, and I also agree that he was just doing his job. I find that it is similar to fast food. The industry is slowly killing people and contributing to the obesity epidemic, but those people are just doing their jobs. Should they be held accountable for the damages being done?

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    Is "the banality of evil" an apt phrase for our time? 212

    In my opinion, banality of evil is a phrase that applies to evil in our time. Often, there are outside motivators which drive humans to disconnect from their emotions and dehumanize certain groups of people. Around the world, this applies to many societies and many people in power because people are complex. You could meet someone in person and they could be very friendly, but maybe they are leaders of a cruel system. In this case it would make sense that this is a different side of them that drives these harsh behaviors toward human beings.

    Should we be silent about things we can't prove? Should philosophy concern itself with more than understanding the logic of language?

    There are certain topics that may cause philosophers to go in circles talking with one another about solutions. The lack of proof shows that there is a problem but sometimes speaking and asking questions is better than being silent. I do think philosophy should concern itself with language because it is a print of what things mean to us as a culture and ultimately as part of humanity.

    Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?

    Yes, anyone is capable of great evil. That is a choice. Even I am capable of evil, too, because I am human. There is no indication of whether a repeat of a mass homicide will happen to the magnitude of the Holocaust, but it is not ruled out either. This would be an indication of where we are in the timeline as a society. Evil still exists, so I would teach my children about it in a way which they totally understand what happened. I feel like oversimplifying history defeats its purpose of teaching it. We must not repeat the mistakes we have made in history, and the only way to know what happened is to learn about it and understand the significance.

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    Should we be silent about things we can't prove? Should philosophy concern itself with more than understanding the logic of language?

    I do feel that most things before they were proved were able to be manifested because a person or people didn’t remain silent with the beliefs they had. I do think philosophy could go beyond being so concerned about understanding the logic of language, however philosophy is very much centered around using communication as a basis to connect to a wide range of people.

    Do you use language as a pictorial medium, a tool for managing social relationships and expressing our thoughts and feelings, or what?

    I do use language whether it’s spoken or written to express my thoughts and feelings to others regardless if it takes place on social media or not. But I do feel like most people and even myself can struggle with either vocalizing or writing an opinion since more and more people are becoming stuck in their own judgements instead of looking beyond them sometimes.

    Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?

    Ordinary people are very capable of great evil and the Holocaust and slavery are prime examples of that. But I think as time goes on more and more people are trying to find the false truths in horrid historical events. Even if I don’t have children I still feel like I would make the effort to teach people about such occurrences like slavery and the Holocaust.

    If the government attempted to round up, detain, and deport millions of Latinos and Muslims, how would you respond

    I honestly just think there have always been attempts made to round up, detain, and deport millions of Latinos and Muslims all the time even if no one talks about it in regular conversation or if such acts are being reported through news outlets or social media. But I feel my response would be to be vocal about such events because I think it is important to always use my voice to bring attention to topics I feel needs to be discussed about and focused on.

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    1. I don't think we should necessarily be silent about things we can't prove and we should share our opinions on the topic. I agree that philosophy can go beyond the logic of language because there is a way to question everything to get a deeper understanding.

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    Can there be a "private language"?

    I think there can be a private language. It all depends on the people but I think certain looks and different types of body language can be a kind of language that people can give each other in certain situations.

    Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?

    I think normal people are capable of great evil. That doesn't mean everyone is one day going to end up evil but if taken to the extreme say in an apocalypse, people will end up doing evil things. As for me, I'm not sure. I like to think that I am a good person and i'm not capable of evil things but who knows. And I don't think we can always make sure that another holocaust won't happen. Like everyone says, History is doomed to repeat itself. We can try and stop it but I think eventually something as terrible as the holocaust will happen again.

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    1. I also think there can be private language. Especially when we were children, making up a secret code that implies something that others wouldn't understand. Body language is a great example as well!

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    Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?
    I think everyone is capable of great evil, but sometimes people don't have to be. In a modern society where our lives are so mundane and routine, there's not much room for evil. However, I do agree with Beck ^^ that in a situation like the apocalypse or some other massive catastrophic event, more people than usual will be evil. Take any zombie show or movie, the human people are usually more messed up than the monsters. Personally, I would hope I'd be better, but I'm not going to say straight up that I'm not capable of evil. I don't think there's anyway to know for sure until the conditions line up.

    Pro wrestling is obviously staged. Why is it so popular?
    Coming from someone who shamelessly went to RAW Live four times, I'm not sure. I know the reason my dad let my brothers and me watch it was because we knew it was fake and rehearsed. We knew we couldn't just do those moves ourselves and knew that these wrestlers weren't actually fighting. It wasn't really violence because we know it's not truly violence. It's guiltless fighting, and the Rock was there, which is its own appeal.

    What was the main message of Wittgenstein's Tractatus?
    That the most important questions about ethics and religion are past our understanding and that if we can’t talk meaningfully about them, we should stay silent.

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    1. Ive always wondered why people watch WWE or even have favorite wrestlers, even though its staged. I guess ill never know.

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    2. As a watcher of WWE and a fan of Ronda Rousey I watch because I find it inspiring. Even though the fights are staged the fighters still put in a lot of work to make the fights look real and intense. I am inspired by there hard work and dedication.

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  6. Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?
    I think that anyone is capable of great evil, but good morals outweigh the evil most of the time in our society. One thing that I think about is how easy it is to cause chaos. If I wanted to, I could easily cause trouble, but with my morals and knowing the aftermath of my possible decision, it's not worth it. There's no telling if another Holocaust situation could occur, but there's no chance of knowing.

    If the government attempted to round up, detain, and deport millions of Latinos and Muslims, how would you respond?
    I would be outraged. I don't think the government would ever try something like that because it would be too extreme and the backlash would probably result in a revolution. I know that I would fight against the government and try everything in my power to bring back those people to America.

    Is "nature as much in silicon and steel as it is in sand and sea?"
    I would say that it is because natural aspects are used to create these things. The nature around us combines with other nature to reinvent itself, so I think that nature is roughly equal in this situation.

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    1. I agree that anyone can be capable of great evil. I would never want to cause great evil, but if I truly wanted to I guarantee that I could!

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    Should we be silent about things we can't prove?
    I think we should not be silent about things we cannot prove. Instead of being silent, we should view as opinions rather than sharing as fact.

    Are ordinary people capable of great evil?
    I think ordinary people are capable. Their great evil may come in the form of a mistake or an accident and it might not be intentional.

    Do you use language as a pictorial medium?
    I use language as a way to express thoughts or feelings and communicate with other people about their thoughts or feelings.

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      I agree it's important that unproven facts shouldn't be declared facts.

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    Do you use language as a pictorial medium, a tool for managing social relationships and expressing our thoughts and feelings, or what?

    I do use language as a method of managing social relationships and expressing my thoughts, whether verbally or nonverbally. For instance, frequently text and communicate with my peers and family in order to maintain our connection. Another approach to utilizing language may be to write down current ideas or thoughts. Personally, I write my more in-depth thoughts in my notes app because it creates an outlet for me to convey my emotions without having to express them verbally.

    Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?

    Ordinary people are definitely capable of great evil. Events and tragedies such as mass shootings and serial killings are prime examples of “ordinary” individuals committing some form of evil. Although I believe these acts do not exist in my character, even I am capable of committing such evil. The human mind is a highly intricate system that causes people to do a wide variety of things that society deems morally incorrect or inappropriate. Therefore, as much as I hope that society will never experience another mass homicide, there is no definite answer on the repeatability of the Holocaust. Hopefully, I am able to teach my child about the Holocaust and how racial discrimination is never the right way to go about things.

    Pro wrestling is obviously staged. Why is it so popular?

    The idea of a staged performance is nothing new within society. For instance, people attend theatrical plays and watch “reality” television which are also obviously staged. However, I believe the major factor to pro wrestling’s popularity is its characters and storylines. This sport has wrestlers that children and even some adults idolize and admire. In addition, having wrestlers who play the underdog type of character or having villains that the audience is able to cheer against continues to draw new people into the sport.

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    Should we be silent about things we can't prove? Should philosophy concern itself with more than understanding the logic of language?

    I think its important to share with others our views on unproven things, it prompts discussion and may make you consider changing views. It also promotes being open minded.

    If the government attempted to round up, detain, and deport millions of Latinos and Muslims, how would you respond

    If there was an uprising against the government, I would definitely join in on it.

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  10. H01
    1. What was the main message of Wittgenstein's Tractatus?
    -the most important questions about ethics and religion lie beyond the limits of our understanding and that if we can’t talk mean- ingfully about them, we should stay silent
    2. What did the later Wittgenstein (of Philosophical Investigations) mean by "language games," what did he think was the way to solve philosophical problems, and what kind of language did he think we can't have?
    -The philosopher was asking the wrong questions, language is a toolbox not a tool
    3. Who was Adolf Eichmann, and what did Arendt learn about him at his trial?
    -Eichmann was a Nazi in charge of the railways, Arendt learned that he was an unthinking man with no remorse
    4. What was Arendt's descriptive phrase for what she saw as Eichmann's ordinariness?
    -the banality of evil
    5. Both Popper and Kuhn changed the way people understood science. What did Popper say about the method for checking a hypothesis and what name did Kuhn give to major breaks in the history of science?
    -scientists try to prove their theories false and paradigm shifts
    Are unthinking people as dangerous as evil sadists? 211
    -Yes, they allow the evil to continue because they d nothing. They are bystanders to violence.
    Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?
    -Many people are capable of evil including me. I have to choose to be a good person just like everyone else. History is likely to repeat itself, but we can teach the next generation the signs before it does happen
    If the government attempted to round up, detain, and deport millions of Latinos and Muslims, how would you respond
    -I would not agree with it, but I would not really have much say in it. The most I could do was protest and stand by my opinions.

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    Was Wittgenstein's main message in the Tractatus correct? 203
    I disagree with his idea of staying silent if we cant speak meaningfully about religion and ethics. If it is beyond our understanding, speaking and sharing ideas will bring us closer to understanding.
    Are ordinary people capable of great evil? Are you? How can we be sure that a Holocaust will never happen again? What will you teach your children about that?
    I think anyone can be evil, but outside forces, like the nurture part have a greater influence on who is evil. While we may be born with evil inside us, how we grow up will have a greater effect on us. To make sure a Holocaust doesnt happen again, it is important to teach about it. The remaining survivors are getting older and may not have much time left. It is our duty to carry on telling their stories to ensure it doesnt happen again.

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