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Friday, November 12, 2021

Questions Nov 15/16

 K ch1; WJ, The Dilemma of Determinism

1. Calvinism set out, for Henry James Sr., what impossible task?

2. Kaag thinks the Civil War gave WJ his first intimation that what?

3. WJ's entire life had been premised on what expectation?

4. What did WJ say (in 1906, to H.G. Wells) about "SUCCESS"?

5. What Stoic hope did young WJ share with his friend Tom Ward?

6. What thought seeded "the dilemma of determinism" for WJ?

7. As WJ explicated determinism in 1884, the future has no what?

8. WJ found what in Huxley's evolutionary materialism alarming?

9. Determinism has antipathy to the idea of what?

10. To the "sick soul," what seems blind and shallow?



Wm James Hall 

Map of William James's Cambridge... 

  • Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been "thrown" into the world? 11
  • Do you agree with Jennifer Michael Hecht? “None of us can truly know what we mean to other people, and none of us can know what our future self will experience. History and philosophy ask us to remember these mysteries, to look around at friends, family, humanity, at the surprises life brings — the endless possibilities that living offers — and to persevere. There is love and insight to live for, bright moments to cherish, and even the possibility of happiness, and the chance of helping someone else through his or her own troubles. Know that people, through history and today, understand how much courage it takes to stay. Bear witness to the night side of being human and the bravery it entails, and wait for the sun. If we meditate on the record of human wisdom we may find there reason enough to persist and find our way back to happiness. The first step is to consider the arguments and evidence and choose to stay. After that, anything may happen. First, choose to stay.” Stay: A History of Suicide and the Arguments Against It by Jennifer Michael Hecht

  • Does Calvinism "set out an impossible task"? 13
  • Do you agree with WJ's father about "the point of life"? 
  • Can there be a constructive, non-violent "moral equivalent of war"? 21
  • Do you agree with James about "our national disease"? 22
  • Would it be bad if all your wishes "were fulfilled as soon as they arose"? 23
  • Was "Mark" right about the three parts of a person? 26
  • If there's no "soul" is determinism true? 28
  • If humans are animals, do we have no soul? 31
  • Were Nietzsche and Buber right about suicide? 34-5
  • Are you one of the lucky "once-born"? Does that make you "blind and shallow"? 40
  • If we possess free will, would it be wrong to insist on a coercive demonstration that we do? DD 566
  • Do you believe you regularly experience opportunities to really choose between alternative futures? Could you decide, for instance, to take an alternate route home from school today? 573
  • Are some regrets appropriate and unavoidable? 577
  • Does determinism define our universe as one in which it is impossible to close the gap between how things are and how they ought to be? 578
  • Which is better, pessimism or subjectivism? 584f.
  • Does life lose zest and excitement, if things were foredoomed and settled long ago? 594
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LISTEN (11.4.21). The World Series may be over, but "radical evil gets its innings" still (wrote William James in the "Sick Soul" chapter of Varieties of Religious Experience). That's what's really at stake in the free will-determinism debate: whether we'll get ours, and have a shot at amelioration. 

William's philosophy was, among other things, the working-out of a strategy to prolong the game and not surrender to fated failure. Determinism as he understood it is the functional equivalent of a rainout that cancels the game and gives the win to the evil visitors. The home team doesn't even get another chance to score and maybe walk off with winged victory.

And, William's philosophy was a quest for real success in living, not the squalid, fake, morally-flabby cash-value form he diagnosed as our national disease in a 1906 letter to H.G.Wells ("the moral flabbiness born of the exclusive worship of the bitch-goddess SUCCESS. That with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success is our national disease")... (continues)
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Sick Souls, Healthy Minds: How William James Can Save Your Life

by John Kaag (author of American Philosophy: A Love Story and Hiking with Nietzsche)


In 1895, William James, the father of American philosophy, delivered a lecture entitled "Is Life Worth Living?" It was no theoretical question for James, who had contemplated suicide during an existential crisis as a young man a quarter century earlier. Indeed, as John Kaag writes, "James's entire philosophy, from beginning to end, was geared to save a life, his life"--and that's why it just might be able to save yours, too. Sick Souls, Healthy Minds is a compelling introduction to James's life and thought that shows why the founder of pragmatism and empirical psychology--and an inspiration for Alcoholics Anonymous--can still speak so directly and profoundly to anyone struggling to make a life worth living.

Kaag tells how James's experiences as one of what he called the "sick-souled," those who think that life might be meaningless, drove him to articulate an ideal of "healthy-mindedness"--an attitude toward life that is open, active, and hopeful, but also realistic about its risks. In fact, all of James's pragmatism, resting on the idea that truth should be judged by its practical consequences for our lives, is a response to, and possible antidote for, crises of meaning that threaten to undo many of us at one time or another. Along the way, Kaag also movingly describes how his own life has been endlessly enriched by James.

Eloquent, inspiring, and filled with insight, Sick Souls, Healthy Minds may be the smartest and most important self-help book you'll ever read. g'r

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THE DILEMMA OF DETERMINISM
By William James

A common opinion prevails that the juice has ages ago been pressed out of the free-will controversy, and that no new champion can do more than warm up stale arguments which everyone has heard. This is a radical mistake. I know of no subject less worn out, or in which inventive genius has a better chance of breaking open new ground--not, perhaps, of forcing a conclusion or of coercing assent, but of deepening our sense of what the issue between the two parties really is, of what the ideas of fate and of free will imply. At our very side almost, in the past few years, we have seen falling in rapid succession from the press works that present the alternative in entirely novel lights. Not to speak of the English disciples of Hegel, such as Green and Bradley; not to speak of Hinton and Hodgson, nor of Hazard here --we see in the writings of Renouvier, Fouillée, and Delbœuf how completely changed and refreshed is the form of all the old disputes. I cannot pretend to vie in originality with any of the masters I have named, and my ambition limits itself to just one little point. If I can make two of the necessarily implied corollaries of determinism clearer to you than they have been made before, I shall have made it possible for you to decide for or against that doctrine with a better understanding of what you are about. And if you prefer not to decide at all, but to remain doubters, you will at least see more plainly what the subject of your hesitation is. I thus disclaim openly on the threshold all pretension to prove to you that the freedom of the will is true. The most I hope is to induce some of you to follow my own example in assuming it true, and acting as if it were true. If it be true, it seems to me that this is involved in the strict logic of the case. Its truth ought not to be forced willy-nilly down our indifferent throats. It ought to be freely espoused by men who can equally well turn their backs upon it. In other words, our first act of freedom, if we are free, ought in all inward propriety to be to affirm that we are free. This should exclude, it seems to me, from the freewill side of the question all hope of a coercive demonstrations,-- a demonstration which I, for one, am perfectly contented to go without.

With thus much understood at the outset, we can advance. But not without one more point understood as well. The arguments I am about to urge all proceed on two suppositions: first, when we make theories about the world and discuss them with one another, we do so in order to attain a conception of things which shall give us subjective satisfaction; and, second, if there be two conceptions, and the one seems to us, on the whole, more rational than the other, we are entitled to suppose that the more rational one is the truer of the two. I hope that you are all willing to make these suppositions with me; for I am afraid that if there be any of you here who are not, they will find little edification in the rest of what I have to say. I cannot stop to argue the point; but I myself believe that all the magnificent achievements of mathematical and physical science--our doctrines of evolution, of uniformity of law, and the rest--proceed from our indomitable desire to cast the world into a more rational shape in our minds than the shape into which it is thrown there by the crude order of our experience. The world has shown itself, to a great extent, plastic to this demand of ours for rationality. How much farther it will show itself plastic no one can say. Our only means of finding out is to try; and I, for one, feel as free to try conceptions of moral as of mechanical or of logical rationality. If a certain formula for expressing the nature of the world violates my moral demand, I shall feel as free to throw it overboard, or at least to doubt it, as if it disappointed my demand for uniformity of sequence, for example; the one demand being, so far as I can see, quite as subjective and emotional as the other is. The principle of causality, for example--what is it but a postulate, an empty name covering simply a demand that the sequence of events shall some day manifest a deeper kind of belonging of one thing with another than the mere arbitrary juxtaposition which now phenomenally appears? It is as much an altar to an unknown god as the one that Saint Paul found at Athens. All our scientific and philosophic ideals are altars to unknown gods. Uniformity is as much so as is free will. If this be admitted, we can debate on even terms. But if anyone pretends that while freedom and variety are, in the first instance, subjective demands, necessity and uniformity are something altogether different, I do not see how we can debate at all... 

...determinism leads us to call our judgments of regret wrong, because they are pessimistic in implying that what is impossible yet ought to be. But how then about the judgments of regret themselves? If they are wrong, other judgments, judgments of approval presumably, ought to be in their place. But as they are necessitated, nothing else can be in their place; and the universe is just what it was before,--namely, a place in which what ought to be appears impossible. We have got one foot out of the pessimistic bog, but the other one sinks all the deeper. We have rescued our actions from the bonds of evil, but our judgments are now held fast. When murders and treacheries cease to be sins, regrets are theoretic absurdities and errors. The theoretic and the active life thus play a kind of see-saw with each other on the ground of evil. The rise of either sends the other down. Murder and treachery cannot be good without regret being bad: regret cannot be good without treachery and murder being bad. Both, however, are supposed to have been foredoomed; so something must be fatally unreasonable, absurd, and wrong in the world. It must be a place of which either sin or error forms a necessary part. From this dilemma there seems at first sight no escape. Are we then so soon to fall back into the pessimism from which we thought we had emerged? And is there no possible way by which we may, with good intellectual consciences, call the cruelties and treacheries, the reluctances and the regrets, all good together?

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The dilemma of this determinism is one whose left horn is pessimism and whose right horn is subjectivism. In other words, if determinism is to escape pessimism, it must leave off looking at the goods and ills of life in a simple objective way, and regard them as materials, indifferent in themselves, for the production of consciousness, scientific and ethical, in us... (continues)

https://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/JamesDilemmaOfDeterminism.html 

27 comments:

  1. Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been "thrown" into the world?

    Existing as I do now is a matter of extreme chance as is, and it turns out I'm growing up in quite the interesting time. Climate change is threatening the planet and it seems to be on my generation to fix it, but it's also a very innovative time. The digital world of the internet shapes my generation like no other before us, which could either shape humanity in a new way or tear it apart. I'm happy to have the life I have, but of course it's something I never asked for. I had no ability to. I was born into this world and I have to do what I can to make the most of it for myself.

    Can there be a constructive, non-violent "moral equivalent of war"?

    Many wars are hardly worth fighting. They're mostly based on the stubbornness and hotheadedness of people in power. WWII needed to be fought because Hitler and his allies were crazed and wanted to conquer more land, and surely the outcome we had was far more preferable than being conquered by Germany and Japan. But millions of people still died because of the actions of some vile leaders. That's what wars ultimately are- the results of vile actions from humanity.

    Does life lose zest and excitement, if things were foredoomed and settled long ago?

    I'd say so. It would make me feel trapped. Free that I don't need to worry as much about how my life will turn out, but knowing that there's nothing I can do about it would feel pointless. So, I choose not to think that way. I make my own life and my decisions are a matter of my own. That gives me a better peace of mind.

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    1. I agree that we live in a difficult time, and life is something we did not ask for. We need to make the most of it by trying our best to repair the damage done to the world make life bearable for future generations.

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    2. H01
      I agree that free will gives a peace of mind, that your in control of your life.

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  2. H03
    Are some regrets appropriate and unavoidable?
    Yes, because there's always going to be something you want to do better or differently. That doesn't mean you need to beat yourself up about it forever, but it does make it unavoidable.

    Does life lose zest and excitement, if things were foredoomed and settled long ago?
    Not really, because you still don't know what's going to happen. Things might be set into place, but for you, every day is still a surprise, which keeps the excitement.

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    1. Regarding your first response, I agree there will always be some looming regret that keeps reminding you of what you did or didn't do that you could change if you went back in time. Some of these unavoidable ones just take you forgiving yourself in order to move on.

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  3. If humans are animals, do we have no soul?
    I believe that everyone has a soul, including every animal in the world. Just because science deems us as animals, doesn't dismiss the fact that we still have souls.

    Were Nietzsche and Buber right about suicide?
    I definitely agree with Nietzsche on his perspective of suicide. When it comes to thinking about suicide, it opens a new door that leads to a deeper and more thoughtful thinking of life and our purpose in the world. It broadens how important we are as individuals and how special we truly are. While I think suicide is never the answer, the fact that anyone can end their life right here, right now puts into many of life's greatest questions and ideals into the forefront.

    Do you believe you regularly experience opportunities to really choose between alternative futures?
    Yes actually all the time. There are so many things in this life that require a choice. Friends, relationships, sexuality, career paths, life styles, economic structures; the list is endless. I think the biggest and most obvious one at the moment is coming to this college. I have made so many new friends and experienced some amazing things that I couldn't have partaken in anywhere else.

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    1. Jadon, I liked your response to the last question. It's important to try things out constantly. Personally, I'd say I experience opportunities regularly, too, to choose between alternate futures. I think it depends on the person, but some of the decisions I have made about my life have been really heavy-weighted ones where I may be kicking myself if I chose the wrong option. I do think this is important in order to learn and grow, though. It's crazy to even think about an alternate future (ie. where I would be in 3 years) if I chose one thing differently.

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  4. H03
    Do you agree with Jennifer Michael Hecht?
    Yes I agree with the her points about meaning and the way you can affect someone's life. As humans we truly cannot know how much we mean to other people unless we're in their shoes. Likewise, we cannot know what we will experience in the future. In a world of constant change, unpredictability becomes canon. The endless possibilities can remind us to have optimism in our lives. Dreamers will keep dreaming and asking 'what if.' Technically, anything can happen tomorrow because we haven't lived it yet. The unknown factor is what can change a person's life for the good or for the better.

    Personally, I have had weeks where nothing goes as planned, and I have experienced weeks where I felt like it was dragging on because of following the same routine. Since anything can happen at any moment, there is also the potential to add zest to your life unexpectedly. So, I agree that there is too little information to know how things will always be. There are always reasons to stay, and some of them are unexpected.

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  5. (H03)”Would it be bad if all your wishes "were fulfilled as soon as they arose”?”
    Life would be rather boring if we never had to want or work for anything. Wanting something keeps life going. Often times we enjoy the anticipation for something more than when we actually get it.
    “Are some regrets appropriate and unavoidable?”
    I think to a certain extent having regrets shows how you have matured and changed. I know there are some people out there who say they have no regrets in life but I find that hard to believe. Regret is a part of life and it doesn’t have to be unhealthy. Understanding how you could have acted differently to improve a situation and thus regretting how you did act is appropriate and (if you are maturing) unavoidable.

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    1. I disagree that life would be boring if all wishes were fulfilled as soon as they arose. How could it be when you can simply wish to end your boredom. However, I agree that the anticipations for somethings are enjoyed more than thing itself.

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  6. H03

    Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been "thrown" into the world? 11

    It depends on the day if I feel grateful or resentful, but I would say most of the time I feel grateful for being thrown into the world because I'm able to live, make choices, and enjoy certain aspects of life.

    Do you agree with Jennifer Michael Hecht? “None of us can truly know what we mean to other people, and none of us can know what our future self will experience. History and philosophy ask us to remember these mysteries, to look around at friends, family, humanity, at the surprises life brings — the endless possibilities that living offers — and to persevere. There is love and insight to live for, bright moments to cherish, and even the possibility of happiness, and the chance of helping someone else through his or her own troubles. Know that people, through history and today, understand how much courage it takes to stay. Bear witness to the night side of being human and the bravery it entails, and wait for the sun. If we meditate on the record of human wisdom we may find there reason enough to persist and find our way back to happiness. The first step is to consider the arguments and evidence and choose to stay. After that, anything may happen. First, choose to stay.” Stay: A History of Suicide and the Arguments Against It by Jennifer Michael Hecht

    I agree with this statement in some ways. I feel like we all can have an idea of how people may view us but an individual's perspectives change all the time so one moment a person can have positive outlooks about you and the next day someone may have a negative view of you. Also, we don't know what the future may hold for us but we can make decisions and live out our actions to hopefully create a better future for ourselves.

    Are some regrets appropriate and unavoidable? 577

    In a way, yes. I think when going through life we may all have regrets that become unavoidable because we have to live through them.



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  7. (H2) 1. Calvinism set out, for Henry James Sr., what impossible task?
    Henry James Sr.'s devotion to Calvinism led him to believe that it has his duty as a human to make God proud. Therefore his conclusion was to live as freely and fully as possible. This mentality expanded to his children as well.

    3. WJ's entire life had been premised on what expectation?
    William James was expected to live his life as free as possible. When it came time for him to realize that life is full of frustrating restrictions, it came as a rude awakening.

    Would it be bad if all your wishes "were fulfilled as soon as they arose"? 23
    It would be because as nice as it may sound, some struggle is necessary to not become out of touch. James, a spoiled child, had most of his problems immediately fixed, which gave him a false idea that living life is easy.

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  8. H3
    Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been thrown into the world?
    There are times I feel a little bit of both but more often than not I am more grateful.
    Would it be bad if all your wishes were fulfilled as soon as they arose?
    Yes, a lot of things change and sometimes our own intentions would not benefit us.
    Which is better pessimism or subjectivism?
    I think pessimism is better because at least you acknowledge truth even if you see the bad side first because you can realize what actually happens.

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    1. I was having trouble deciding between these two but now I do think I agree that pessimism is better for the exact reason that you provided. I think it is less useful to no believe anything is true than to look at things from a negative perspective.

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  9. H03
    Would it be bad if all your wishes "were fulfilled as soon as they arose"?

    Yes, it would be bad because the first thought that pops into our head is not always the most thought-out idea. If all my wishes were fulfilled as soon as they arise, I would have a lot of regrets because I wouldn’t have any time to examine if it is something I truly want. Many people have intrusive thoughts that they cannot help having but don’t really mean. I might wish someone got hit by a car, but I would never seriously wish that upon someone.

    If humans are animals, do we have no soul?

    Personally, I believe both humans and animals have souls. I think that many things in life are spiritually connected by the soul including humans and animals.

    Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been "thrown" into the world?

    I am not resentful because I am grateful for the life that I have. The hardships I have faced have made me who I am, and I would never want to change that. I do understand, however, the feeling of being thrown into something and not having anyone to guide you. I feel like this is just a part of life though. We have to be a little lost and confused sometimes and learn our way. A part of growing up is learning how to teach yourself things and figure out new things on your own.

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    Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been "thrown" into the world?

    It honestly depends on the day. Sometimes I enjoy making my own path, or at least living in the ways that I do, however many days it feels like I suffer from a total lack of control from small or large pictures. The world seems to have spiralled out of control long before I am of any age to make large changes, and my personal path was dictated by my parents and social restraints.


    If humans are animals, do we have no soul?

    I would argue that ultimately, being an animal would not make one soulless. I'd also argue that (at least in terms of morally) humans that are "soulless" are plentiful. Animals clearly can exhibit soul and intelligence. I think that ultimately humans are just intelligent enough to express their souls best.

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    1. I relate a lot to how you feel about being "thrown" into the world. I think it makes sense that many people sometimes feel content with life and other times are hateful towards it because of sour occurrences that are out of their control. I feel that way often. I especially feel pressures of societal expectations.

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  11. Do you believe you regularly experience opportunities to really choose between alternative futures? Could you decide, for instance, to take an alternate route home from school today?
    I do believe I encounter decisions between alternative futures because I often make last minute decisions that could go different ways.
    Would it be bad if all your wishes "were fulfilled as soon as they arose"?
    I believe this would be bad because then we would have no sense of working for what we want. We would have no drive to get things for ourselves. It might even get boring to just get things whenever you want because then you always want more and more and will never be satisfied.
    Which is better, pessimism or subjectivism?
    I really do not know. They both have their downfalls in my opinion. I do not think pessimism is useful in anyway while I do not see how subjectivism can be a reasonable conclusion.

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    1. I often get this weird feeling when driving and choose to take a different route at the last second. I have never thought about it as a choice between alternative futures.

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  12. Would it be bad if all your wishes "were fulfilled as soon as they arose"?
    Yes. Some wishes are made in the het of the moment and will be regretted after some time has passed. Also, if all of your wishes come true then there is nothing to work and hope for. It would make life meaningless.
    Does life lose zest and excitement, if things were foredoomed and settled long ago?
    Yes. What is the point in working and hoping for the future if everything is already set in stone.

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    1. I feel as though we should work hard and make our "wishes" come true ourselves. If a wish was granted as soon as they arose, we would not work as hard to fulfill our wants. We would all become lazy.

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    2. H01
      I agree. Some of my wishes seem to be spontaneous and after 2 or 3 minutes of thought I changed my mind. Would I be able to wish to undo my previous wish?

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    3. H01 I agree, I also think that sometimes the best part of a wish is the process of working and getting close to making it true.

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  13. Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been thrown into the world?
    I feel very grateful to have been thrown into this world. There are so many people that I love and cherish which make life worth living and give me something to work hard for.

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  14. H01
    Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been "thrown" into the world?
    A little bit of both. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to deal with the struggles and pain of life, at other times, I'm grateful to be able to experience life.

    Does life lose zest and excitement, if things were foredoomed and settled long ago?
    I think it would take the zest out of life, but we'll never know, so i just choose to believe freewill exists.

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  15. H2. Do you feel more resentful or grateful to have been "thrown" into the world?

    Although I had no actual option on if I would be “thrown” into this world, I would say that I typically feel more grateful rather than resentful. Sometimes life has those challenges that you think you may never overcome and that places high amounts of animosity or resentment on a person. However, I tend to seek out the more positive portions of life and that keeps me grateful to be alive and living on the planet that I do, in the time that I do.

    Can there be a constructive, non-violent "moral equivalent of war"?

    I believe so. War produces needless violence and leads to the deaths of plenty of innocent bystanders. Furthermore, a good portion of the wars throughout history seemed unnecessary and developed into more tension between countries and civilizations. If country leaders were actually able to discuss and compromise on different treaties and boundaries then wars would cease to exist.

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